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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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listening all around the world all

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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that's right it is another completely

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last night great show with dave scott

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there is a rare asteroid

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the size of the state

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the rarity known as 16 psyche

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was actually discovered back in 1852 but

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the new study was published this week in

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the planetary science journal

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to put this

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figure 10 000

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when written out in full it boasts a

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enough to buy and sell jeff bezos

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whose net worth is just shy of 200

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everything comes from asia

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the asian needle and originally evolved

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in asia but was first found in the

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united states in the 1930s since then

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state university an asian needle ant

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an epi an epipen that's all i gotta say

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indiana and oh by the way

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this is all going down right now

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birthday to today

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brett michaels today is 58

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blink 182's mark hoppus today is 50

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our dead guy's birthday today

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moment of silence please one of the

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greatest

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a reef martin

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1932-2006

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died at the age of 74. arief

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was one of the greatest producers

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in music history

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and i don't say that lightly

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working with hundreds of artists

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holland oates anita baker aretha

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franklin dionne warwick roberta flack

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bette midler barbara streisand carly

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simon ringo starr david bowie

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and phil collins

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doesn't stop there though

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because it was a reef

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when producing the bee gees in 1975

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it was a reef who discovered the

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distinctive falsetto voice

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of barry gibb

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that's right when he was producing and

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recording their song

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nights on broadway

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a reef martin

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he also won 11 grammy awards by the way

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a reef died at his home in new york on

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june 25 2006 at the age of 74

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following a lengthy battle with

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pancreatic cancer

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happy birthday arif

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on this day in history

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you know what today was 44 bc

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the ides of march julius caesar dictator

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of rome is stabbed to death at the roman

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senate house

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by 60 conspirators conspirators

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led by

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marcus brutus

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you know there's this uh there's this uh

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urban legend

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that brutal

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you know being a brutus it you know

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comes from marcus brutus and

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and you check out the etymology of

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brutal and

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and brutus and you look and and

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those claims aren't no no no it didn't

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come from marcus brutus

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it didn't

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and look at the definitions too and what

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they mean

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it's pretty funny but it doesn't come

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from marcus brutus fader fact

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allegedly fader fact

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benjamin kyle

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an amnesiac who surfaced in 2004

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had no memories of his life

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and didn't know his name

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that was until 2015

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when his identity was discovered through

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dna testing that's right they found out

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his name benjamin kyle

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but there is still a 20-year gap in his

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life history

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with no known records

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and that

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is your fader fact look him up benjamin

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kyle great great amazing story tonight

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very special guest right here on the

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show tom dango is here for the first

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time we're going to be talking about the

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bradshaw ranch and and everything else

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in his life of contact he's a great

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author too tomorrow night jazz shaw

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stops by for the first time because it

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is first time guests week here on fade

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to block

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we're going to be talking about all of

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jazz's latest articles and research

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that's going down tomorrow night

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thursday is another fader night with

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open lines all night long all right now

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i need to hit this river moon coffee

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look at sly stone

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79 years old rumors are

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he's homeless

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he's living in a camper van

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in

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unbelievable

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sued his manager jerry goldstein

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who uh i've spoken to a few times on the

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phone

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uh about sly um but anyway i'll put that

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to the side

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sue jerry for 50 million dollars

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won right

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he won five million

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and then that got overturned

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and

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there you go

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and now sly is you know i

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the rumors are he's home he's 79 years

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old living in a van

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somewhere here in l.a all right river

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fade to black blend

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can we talk

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i had a great i had a great time last

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night with dave scott

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and uh nicole sakic

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and uh that was a good show last night

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and uh yeah he's doing this thing out in

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at the golden nugget and he's talking

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about that last night on the show i

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think he did did we do it during the

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break i'm not sure

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but

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um i might be going out to vegas uh next

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month uh to go hang out with everybody

403
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but anyway had a

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really great show and

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um i've been thinking a lot

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lately and we sort of mentioned it last

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night on the show omua moa

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and the more that i

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think about

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oh muammua

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and the research that i've dived into

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i've come to the honest conclusion

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that's right

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now

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my mind is so into oh more more you can

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go to wikipedia

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if you want

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read up on oh more more

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00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:58,720
and it's really

420
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an interesting read

421
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,200
because they've got the data they've got

422
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the stats they've got the comments

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they've got the data they've got the

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stats they've got the comments all the

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way down

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and

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even wikipedia which is the the the

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article there in omua

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is a desperate attempt to

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debunk the alien or e.t aspect of this

431
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and it's in there too as well

432
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but they're contradicting and the people

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that write and contribute to wikipedia

434
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they're contradicting themselves now if

435
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,280
we look at the basics of the basics here

436
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it was discovered by

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robert

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warwick using the pan stars telescope in

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00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,159
hawaii on october 19 2017.

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and all of this was about 40 days after

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it passed the sun on september 9th and

442
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when the news broke about this i

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00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,880
remember covering it here on fade to

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black and over on coast to coast

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i mean it was a big deal and it didn't

446
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make any sense and in the press releases

447
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,679
the comments that they were made

448
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,720
uh

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00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,720
the comments that were made he's just

450
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,159
like wait

451
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:10,400
it did what

452
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,159
it doesn't make any sense what do you

453
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,480
mean it sped up

454
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,440
right

455
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,159
what do you mean it turned

456
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:20,960
when robert first viewed it omumu was

457
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:24,880
already 21 million miles away

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00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:29,039
from earth heading away from the sun

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00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:29,840
now

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00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,039
about omumu is the opposite of what we

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00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:41,600
know about asteroids and commons

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00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,669
by the time

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we caught up to it 21 million miles away

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from earth

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everything everything everything was

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00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,760
gone it was passed it was too late to

467
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:00,000
get images it was too late to collect

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00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:01,440
any more data

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00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:05,679
because all more more whatever it was

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00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,630
some have suggested that omumua

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vega

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00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:20,310
do you guys

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00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,840
understand the connection here

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00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:26,000
the movie contact

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right

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00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:29,679
some have suggested vega

477
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but accounting for vegas proper motion

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it would have taken omumu about 600 000

479
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years to reach our solar system from

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vega

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but as a nearby star

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vega

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was not in the same part of the sky

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at that time

485
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,720
so it didn't come from vega

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every time

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00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,000
somebody brings up something about

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00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,679
omumua

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00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:03,039
the data

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00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,710
right now

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00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:11,600
nobody knows where it came from

492
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,029
does that sound natural to you

493
00:24:24,029 --> 00:24:21,440
now avi loeb

494
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,039
has pointed out two things in his book

495
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:25,840
extraterrestrial

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00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:30,400
that have gone largely unnoticed

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00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,919
and i'm very surprised that more in both

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00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,240
our community and the science side of

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00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:37,760
things that this

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00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:40,960
these things haven't been discussed more

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00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,919
and i would suggest to everybody get avi

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00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:46,640
loeb's book extraterrestrial

503
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,840
and uh he's got a lot of data in there

504
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,480
but go through the book and look at

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specific points and then peel off the

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book and then go do your own research

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00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,799
and just look how the science community

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00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:02,880
because it's the same

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00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,350
but the science community

510
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,000
is there you don't have to depend just

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00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,720
on avilob's book and what's better

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00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,279
in my opinion is do what i do put the

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00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,880
book aside

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00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,760
boom

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00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,080
go and research yourself and just go

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00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,760
back highlight

517
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,080
and and and and go back and forth it's

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00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:27,679
fun to do

519
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,400
it's fun it's fun it's worth it

520
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:33,039
okay now these two points

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that

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i need to discuss and also um

523
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,080
uh

524
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,679
last night on

525
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,440
a very interesting thing happened last

526
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,039
night on dave scott's show i brought up

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uh arthur c clarke and rendezvous with

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rama

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and

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00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,120
did have to do with omumu if you go to

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00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,640
wikipedia

532
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,600
and check out omomoa

533
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,760
it's right there the comments and the

534
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,640
comparisons to rama and arthur c clarke

535
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:06,240
and omoamoa

536
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,679
for a lot of different reasons

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00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,679
it's all there i love synchronicities

538
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,320
anyway so the the two points that avi

539
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,600
brings up

540
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,440
first

541
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,600
that omua

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00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:21,279
was probably

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00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,840
disc

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00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,440
shaped now we've seen all of the artist

545
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:27,520
illustrations it's a long tube it's a

546
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,559
cylinder shape you know avi says hey

547
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,480
stop right there

548
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,520
pancake he uses the word

549
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,559
pancake shaped

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00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,720
pancake

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00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,520
and this is a big deal

552
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,960
and he brings that up for a lot of

553
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,720
reasons

554
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,400
you need to read the book

555
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,200
but he says pancake disc

556
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,520
shape and second

557
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,159
that the data suggests

558
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:58,080
that omumua

559
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,600
check this

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00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,240
was metallic

561
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,840
that's right

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00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,600
avi says

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00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:07,679
it had a surface

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00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,799
made of metal

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00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,120
disk shaped

566
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,039
and metallic

567
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,799
now you combine these two mind-blowing

568
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,240
statements and throw them in the facts

569
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,559
that oma turned

570
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,320
changed direction

571
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:24,399
and sped up

572
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,110
all of the observatories and astronomers

573
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,279
who have studied the data all say the

574
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:36,320
same thing that the changes in speed and

575
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,520
direction

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00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,799
were not

577
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,440
from gravity

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00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,919
not natural

579
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:46,559
not from gravity from our sun

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00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,520
or interference from any planets

581
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,880
this is what science says avi points it

582
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,000
out in the book

583
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:57,840
go and read

584
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:00,960
what everybody has commented on and

585
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,350
initial speculation

586
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,919
as to the cause of this acceleration

587
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,559
because it did take a turn and sped up

588
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,120
and got out of town

589
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,480
so the cause of this acceleration

590
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:21,600
the speculation into that was

591
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,880
that it it it was it was a comet like

592
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:27,279
outgassing

593
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,320
right

594
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,320
you know when stuff inside of a comet

595
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:33,039
you know evaporates as the sun heats its

596
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:34,320
surface

597
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,120
right

598
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:38,080
but here's the deal

599
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:42,080
there were no such tale of gases

600
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,679
observed

601
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:46,640
following omumua

602
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,750
now let's

603
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,039
if it

604
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:56,000
and and and i'm just pointing out

605
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,440
like the obvious things i can do a whole

606
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,159
show i could do three hours lose six

607
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,320
hours on omua moa

608
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,559
and i'll tell you something else um that

609
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,960
isn't discussed

610
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,279
astronomers and radio astronomers around

611
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,000
the world were so freaked out by the

612
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,039
the word of uh omua moa and and what it

613
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:19,039
did and how it did it

614
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:20,720
that they started pointing their radio

615
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,640
telescopes at it you know why

616
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,120
they were looking for

617
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,669
that's right

618
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:33,919
they were assuming from the word coaches

619
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,840
because of everything it took a turn

620
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,600
that there would be radio signals coming

621
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,760
off of this they claim

622
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,549
that's that's their claim i don't know

623
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,399
i don't know

624
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,399
here is uh

625
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,440
here's the thing and i'm going to go

626
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,520
back to arthur c clarke before i head to

627
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:58,000
the break one last time

628
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:58,799
when

629
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,710
there's a scene in 2001 a space odyssey

630
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,520
and they're heading to the monolith on

631
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,480
the moon

632
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:10,640
and uh you know they're on this little

633
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,080
uh lunar lander cruiser thing transport

634
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,320
and uh and they're looking at maps and

635
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,080
and photographs

636
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,679
and uh

637
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,520
one of the uh one of the engineers one

638
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,360
of the pilots goes up

639
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,159
yeah apparently

640
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,320
it was he goes what am i looking at he

641
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:30,240
goes apparently

642
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,669
buried and the response was deliberately

643
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:39,200
buried

644
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,480
right

645
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:42,559
it makes you think it stops you in your

646
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,799
tracks it's the same thing with omomua

647
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,720
it turned

648
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,559
on its own

649
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,279
it accelerated

650
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,520
on its own

651
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:57,279
it avoided

652
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,430
and blew out of town

653
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,519
yeah i honestly think it was artificial

654
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:09,200
i do not think

655
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,320
it was a natural object

656
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,159
i'm not going to let it go either this

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00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,240
is fade to black i am your host jimmy

658
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,399
church tonight on this program for the

659
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,760
first time

660
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,080
tom dango is here we're going to be

661
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,840
talking about a lot of stuff tonight

662
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,159
he's a great author great researcher i'm

663
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,240
going to focus on the bradshaw ranch

664
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,039
right there in sedona arizona and then

665
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,279
tomorrow night jazz shaw stopping by for

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the first time going to be talking about

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his latest articles and research and

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experiences by the way

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765
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,079
welcome back fade to black i am your

766
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,000
host jimmy church tonight tom dango is

767
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,640
here for the first time i'm gonna focus

768
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,560
on the bradshaw ranch and his work in

769
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his books

770
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tomorrow night jazz shaw is stopping by

771
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for the first time because it is first

772
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,800
time guest week here on fade to black

773
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,640
we'll talk about jazz's latest article

774
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,720
in his research and experiences and then

775
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,880
thursday nights another fader night with

776
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,720
open lines all night long tonight tom

777
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:00,400
dongos here

778
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,359
and

779
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,119
we're going to be talking about his

780
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,599
research his books into ufo's et the

781
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,320
paranormal and the bradshaw ranch right

782
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,240
there in sedona arizona he's widely

783
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,480
recognized as one of the world's leading

784
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,880
experts on the paranormal ufo's dt he

785
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,359
has authored eight books that focus on

786
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,599
the paranormal including his bestseller

787
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,320
merging dimensions it examines the

788
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,320
incredibly strange activity that takes

789
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,839
place right there at the bradshaw ranch

790
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,160
near sedona and he has appeared on over

791
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,480
30 national and international television

792
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,440
shows 60 worldwide radio shows and is a

793
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,119
featured speaker at conferences around

794
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,280
the world and the

795
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,160
the links for his books are right there

796
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,000
in social media and we've got them up

797
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,760
over at the website and i would like to

798
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,200
welcome the first time defeated black

799
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,200
tom dongo tom how are you doing tonight

800
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,640
sir

801
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,520
well hey it's great to be on your show

802
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,079
yeah it's it's great to finally uh have

803
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,480
you here and i'm going to be in sedona

804
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,480
this weekend and i'm i'm very excited

805
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,720
this will be my first trip out there

806
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,200
um but uh the

807
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,520
i have a lot of friends uh that live in

808
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:07,040
sedona that have shared their

809
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,640
experiences uh with me over the years

810
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,400
and i can't tell you how many times

811
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,599
jimmy you've got to get out here you've

812
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,680
got to get out here so finally i'm going

813
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,680
to make it out to sedona and hopefully

814
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,320
i'll get a chance to run into you too as

815
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:22,720
well but be before we get started tom

816
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,000
you get the first time guest disclaimer

817
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,880
are you ready yeah

818
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,880
it's a time it's just you and i sitting

819
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,720
on my couch having a conversation as

820
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,720
friends and where that conversation

821
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,240
starts it starts where it ends it ends

822
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,920
but we're going to end his friends there

823
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:38,960
you go

824
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:39,760
it's

825
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:45,440
so um

826
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:49,359
before we we dive into uh the stuff of

827
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,400
today

828
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:52,400
let's back up you've authored eight

829
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,760
books and you've uh uh been researching

830
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,839
the paranormal and ufos and et's for a

831
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,359
very long time

832
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,079
um what what got you started into this

833
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,000
was it something in your childhood did

834
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,520
you witness something was it your

835
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,480
parents

836
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:08,720
how did you get into this

837
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:13,200
well you know i i actually um

838
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,240
uh

839
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,640
it started when i was a in high school i

840
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,560
i was going out uh

841
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,359
going into town one night and a uh i

842
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,359
happened to look up and there was a

843
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,160
a red light uh it was fluttering like a

844
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,079
leaf going between the clouds and then i

845
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,920
saw it two days later

846
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,119
uh in a big valley below my house and it

847
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,839
was it uh it kind of uh

848
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:38,400
landed on power lines down there and i

849
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,760
was going to go down and check it out

850
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,680
but it's a good thing i didn't because

851
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,119
there were a lot of

852
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,680
abduction scenarios uh people doing that

853
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,240
sort of thing back in those days so i

854
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:50,320
i

855
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,640
on moana lane and what really got me

856
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,280
into all of this stuff was i i used to

857
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,440
go for a walk every day and

858
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,800
and uh

859
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,720
one day about you know i thought you

860
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,319
know there have been times i i thought i

861
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,240
was going insane for sure i've got to be

862
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,880
crazy this can't be for real right i

863
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,400
found other people you know they had the

864
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,640
same kind of experiences than i did but

865
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,160
at any rate i was walking down the

866
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:22,000
sidewalk and this giant pair of hands

867
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,599
grabbed me by the shoulders i mean i'm

868
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,160
talking giant hands right

869
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,000
so i thought well this is kind of cool

870
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,000
i'll just it was kind of it was steering

871
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,720
me around as i was going down the so the

872
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:34,800
hands turned me into a into a parking

873
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,599
lot

874
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,440
and it was steering me between the cars

875
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,839
and i was walking towards a book shop

876
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,599
and i thought yeah this is really neat

877
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,760
this is really cool you know so

878
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,800
yeah

879
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,480
that i went through the door of the

880
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,720
bookshop and went through the aisles and

881
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,640
all the way to the back and the hands

882
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,480
bent me over and i'm looking at a book

883
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:53,839
and the bottom of the shelf these are

884
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,720
all used books and it was seth speaks by

885
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,640
jane roberts whoa

886
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,240
yeah and that's what got me into this

887
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:02,319
whole thing i studied that book for six

888
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:03,359
months

889
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:04,839
and that was the

890
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,960
beginning yeah what what year was that

891
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:11,440
it would have been about 1975.

892
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,400
so

893
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,960
uh jane was

894
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,200
she was the thing around this time too

895
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,079
as well did you have any idea

896
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,440
uh about jane roberts at that point

897
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,520
no i had no interest in channeling and

898
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:27,440
ufos and

899
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,640
or anything else uh you know and then i

900
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,319
uh

901
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,640
i i moved to sedona

902
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,160
after reno

903
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,200
and uh i i as soon as i got to sedona i

904
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,040
started hearing all these stories about

905
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,960
people and ufos and

906
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,720
really strange stuff

907
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,040
so i just out of curiosity i started

908
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,839
digging into it and i i

909
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,079
in short order had enough for a book and

910
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,880
i started and then i ran out of material

911
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,440
and and then i i uh i was actually

912
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,440
writing about

913
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,040
people that had

914
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,480
extraterrestrial

915
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:03,680
encounters

916
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,640
and uh i got i got uh i put it out to a

917
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,560
few people that i i you know do you know

918
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,640
anybody that's had a a uh an

919
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,800
extraterrestrial encounter abduction or

920
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:15,359
contact e and i got flooded

921
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,560
with with people that did from all over

922
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,319
so i finished the book and that was my

923
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,200
my my second book the alien tide

924
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,160
and so from that i uh eight books

925
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,800
eight books later i'm still going now uh

926
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:31,200
did you what what made you

927
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:32,319
uh

928
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:36,800
you did you know about

929
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,319
the ufo and uh like the community that's

930
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,040
there the consciousness community

931
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,720
no at the time i was living in santa

932
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,640
cruz california

933
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,480
and i was in i was a member of the

934
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,319
tibetan foundation and it's it's

935
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,560
actually a channeling group

936
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,640
uh they were they were uh being taught

937
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,640
how to channel and and the uh the

938
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,040
leaders of the the uh the people that

939
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,359
ran the place were dead they were on the

940
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,680
other side so they they had one channel

941
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,280
that was very good so she'd relay the

942
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,480
messages

943
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,520
and uh and i got finally i it took me

944
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,200
about eight months to get a certificate

945
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,079
of being

946
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:14,160
a certified channel for the spiritual

947
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,440
hierarchy

948
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,760
so at any rate i got tired of santa cruz

949
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,000
and i thought well i think that the uh

950
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,800
the tibetan foundation had a branch

951
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,800
in sedona i had no idea i thought it was

952
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,960
just sand and cactus so i said well i go

953
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,359
to sedona so anyway i i

954
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,520
i you know you know so now i've been

955
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:33,520
here uh 34 years

956
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,560
so

957
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,040
that would have been about about 85 or

958
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:39,680
so yeah during the harmonic convergence

959
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,079
yes okay so uh 84.85 and uh

960
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,480
when you are this is interesting i want

961
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,319
to go back to your comment

962
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,480
that you needed you know to complete the

963
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,440
book right you needed some more uh stuff

964
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,400
for the book

965
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,079
and you put the word out

966
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:01,030
how quickly did you realize

967
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,720
uh that uh contactees and and et contact

968
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,800
was was so prevalent out there in

969
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,760
society and specifically sedona

970
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,839
well actually the more dramatic ones

971
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:15,760
that i ran into were in california like

972
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:20,720
half moon bay oh but uh i i uh i i ended

973
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,480
up i i i figure about 400 they were

974
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,200
split between abductees and contactees

975
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,800
and it was i mean it was an incredible

976
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,079
experience

977
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,160
i don't think anybody outside of bud

978
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,920
hopkins has had more experience than i

979
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,079
have had with uh contactees and

980
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:38,160
abductees now

981
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:38,960
uh

982
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,839
tom i i'm gonna ask you the obvious

983
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:44,880
question here we are in in 2022 and

984
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,920
you've been at this for a very long time

985
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,400
and and your research is is excellent

986
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,480
and you're somebody that we have always

987
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,760
looked up to

988
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:54,720
but

989
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,720
did you ever in your wildest imagination

990
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,760
uh think that this country in this world

991
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,920
would be speaking about et's and

992
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,920
contacting ufos

993
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,400
like we are today from washington dc to

994
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,280
defense to science and and television

995
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,119
and the people on the street

996
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,520
it's it's it's crazy right now isn't it

997
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,359
did you ever think we would arrive at

998
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,920
something like this

999
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,560
uh actually no you know i i used to get

1000
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,640
uh

1001
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,440
attacked constantly when i was i i gave

1002
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,119
up three times i said this just isn't

1003
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,280
worth it i quit but as soon as i as soon

1004
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,640
as i quit

1005
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:34,000
something else would happen i'd get

1006
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,560
right back into it again you know a ufo

1007
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,160
something or another

1008
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:40,880
and uh uh so so uh

1009
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,079
i i never i've been i've been on uh

1010
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:46,000
your show is the 60th i've been on in

1011
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,440
two and a half years i figure i've

1012
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,000
spoken about 80 million people with not

1013
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,160
one complaint no not one person has

1014
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,560
complained so complain so i might i must

1015
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,200
be doing something right and and

1016
00:46:03,190 --> 00:45:59,040
somebody else is doing something right

1017
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:03,200
too um and and what i mean by that is

1018
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,280
for the media to be on board uh uh

1019
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,480
congress the senate uh capitol hill

1020
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,200
science avi loeb harvard university

1021
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,839
right the list just goes on and on and

1022
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,920
suddenly you are not

1023
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,440
you know getting attacked i'm not

1024
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:22,480
getting attacked it's it seems like it's

1025
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,319
an okay area to discuss these days

1026
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,920
well people are starting to believe it

1027
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,000
now that you know the the the debunkers

1028
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,599
and skeptics and critics are they're

1029
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,000
just not if they're finally getting i've

1030
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,560
had people that thought i was nuts you

1031
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,720
know critics and then and then two days

1032
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,319
later they come running tom tom you

1033
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,920
won't believe what i saw last night so

1034
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,440
they went from a devout

1035
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,920
uh disbeliever to a devout believer

1036
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,520
overnight and that's happened a lot with

1037
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,079
me i i won't spend three seconds with a

1038
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,640
with a a skeptic

1039
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,560
to try to try to convince him yeah you

1040
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:56,640
don't have to

1041
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,560
certainly great days

1042
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,440
now

1043
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:02,880
um

1044
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,920
i'm gonna turn to sedona uh for a second

1045
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:07,280
sedona

1046
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,280
um as you know i i'm speaking uh and

1047
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,160
stating the obvious sedona seems to have

1048
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:17,040
a lot of everything it's all going down

1049
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:18,319
in sedona

1050
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,079
and the stories of uh of course craft in

1051
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,079
the sky in contact but there's also

1052
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,680
vortexes and

1053
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,160
and magical spots on the ground you have

1054
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:30,640
the geography that is there

1055
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,160
uh you have cryptids uh bigfoot

1056
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,359
um everything seems to be a is it sedona

1057
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,599
itself the reason for this

1058
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,240
why that area of arizona to have

1059
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,640
everything happening at the same time

1060
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,839
yeah i've been asked that about a

1061
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,359
thousand times it's probably the it's

1062
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:49,119
probably the the uh the magnetism and

1063
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,319
the red rocks it's like

1064
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,240
the the red rocks around here are red

1065
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,839
because it's rust

1066
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,480
so and that's iron oxide so it must have

1067
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,400
something to do with the uh the

1068
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,559
magnetism here or there's something else

1069
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,960
i don't know i've been studying this

1070
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,640
yeah you know i'm for sure the world

1071
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,200
expert on sedona nobody knows what i

1072
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,880
know and i and i've done it

1073
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,440
you know i i've got this uh i i hunt

1074
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,920
them on their turf i i'm not an armchair

1075
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,480
i've never been an armchair researcher i

1076
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,400
go after them

1077
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:22,079
i can tell you some pretty hairy stories

1078
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,440
but i'm still here

1079
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,119
well what was your

1080
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:27,280
take me back to

1081
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,079
uh

1082
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:30,960
the first thing that happened to you

1083
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,760
because you're there channeling and and

1084
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,559
i i get that and and you go because of

1085
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,920
the institute

1086
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,319
uh but there was always the first time

1087
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,559
something happens what when and and what

1088
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,000
happened

1089
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,680
well you know it's mostly other people's

1090
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,280
stories you know that i was hearing

1091
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,040
constantly and i would i would check

1092
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,599
them out but uh uh you know i had so

1093
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,440
many sightings you know

1094
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,359
i was in a coffee shop one day and the

1095
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,640
guy said you should have been here about

1096
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,640
an hour ago there was a woman that was a

1097
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,359
total ufo disbeliever so we looked out

1098
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,160
the window and there was a huge disc

1099
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,800
uh hovering over uh thunder mountain and

1100
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,319
he the guy said hey come here i want to

1101
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,000
show you this and she was she was

1102
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,319
gobsmacked she you know she she saw a

1103
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:14,079
ufo so i mean that sort of thing happens

1104
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,280
around here

1105
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,440
uh used to happen all the time it's you

1106
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,559
know it's it's the the uh

1107
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,400
the overcrowding here's is getting to be

1108
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,559
a problem and it's it's driving what

1109
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,760
used to be

1110
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,000
back further back in the canyons or in

1111
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,680
other places but it's certainly still

1112
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,880
here

1113
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,359
now uh i've i've heard the same thing

1114
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:36,000
too as well that that you guys have a

1115
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,280
traffic problem in that little town now

1116
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,839
yeah it's severe it's severe that's what

1117
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,000
i've heard yeah that's what i've heard

1118
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,200
um now when you say a disc over thunder

1119
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,720
mountain

1120
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:51,280
what what are you describing and and you

1121
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,880
know is this is this big is this small

1122
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,559
well most of them are around 30 or 40

1123
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,800
feet across and i've i've been i've been

1124
00:50:02,710 --> 00:49:59,920
within

1125
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:02,720
40 feet of an alien spacecraft i could

1126
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,720
have like i could have i had six

1127
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,880
witnesses you know i i tell people you

1128
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,480
know whatever i talk about i can prove

1129
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,240
it i'm not just blowing smoke out my

1130
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,720
ears if i say something

1131
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:15,839
uh i can prove it so anyway i was coming

1132
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,440
i was coming back uh i i did uh

1133
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,599
ufo tours well general tours had a tour

1134
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:23,839
company in sedona we we did we went all

1135
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,119
over the southwest but my ufo tours were

1136
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,000
so popular i spent uh 80 of my time

1137
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,400
doing ufo tours and i retired three

1138
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,480
years ago i don't do them anymore but at

1139
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,720
any rate we were coming out one night

1140
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,119
and there were six people in the car

1141
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,200
and the guy's son was sitting next to me

1142
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,200
and he and he said look look look and

1143
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,760
there was a it was a it was uh it's hard

1144
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,760
to describe but it floated like a

1145
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:50,400
feather and it was orange and it had uh

1146
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:51,359
three

1147
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,960
orange spheres inside of it so

1148
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,400
naturally we

1149
00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:58,319
we had put all of our camera equipment

1150
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,829
i could have hit it with a tennis ball

1151
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,599
it came it came right over the van and

1152
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,240
we all got out and saw it we watched it

1153
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,200
and uh it it floated just like a feather

1154
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:13,280
being blown in a wind

1155
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,880
and uh i i it went it went down towards

1156
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,960
cottonwood turned white

1157
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,800
went straight up about two thousand feet

1158
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,040
came back down and you could see it

1159
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:25,280
landing behind beside behind the trees

1160
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,559
you know you could actually see it

1161
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,920
landing

1162
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,240
and uh we we hung around for a while it

1163
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,440
was pretty late at night so we didn't

1164
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,520
stay any longer but it probably just

1165
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,200
shot off

1166
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,040
below the trees they just left because

1167
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,440
it was clearly inside of of cottonwood

1168
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,960
uh it was on a hill just above

1169
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:42,000
cottonwood

1170
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,680
now when you say things are slowing down

1171
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,559
do you think that that is because

1172
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,720
there are so many people now in sedona

1173
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,640
that it's not this

1174
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,880
quiet little town that it used to be

1175
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,880
well unfortunately uh where there used

1176
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,880
to be 10 now there's a thousand people

1177
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,760
right

1178
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,319
so it it's uh it's it's it's still here

1179
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,720
though i i i hear stories especially in

1180
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,800
the bradshaw ranch there were there were

1181
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:08,559
three professional

1182
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,440
uh

1183
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,079
researchers that had the best equipment

1184
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,160
they had everything uh

1185
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:16,720
that the best money could buy and they

1186
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,839
had a uh they had a uh

1187
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,920
uh they had a situation they were at the

1188
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,920
bradshaw ranch and i'm always interested

1189
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:25,760
i i don't go out there much anymore the

1190
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,720
ranch is in ruins the uh the university

1191
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,880
of northern arizona has has leased it

1192
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,400
from the forest service so he got the

1193
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,200
government owns the bradshaw ranch now

1194
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:37,520
uh through the forest service so

1195
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,800
so uh uh anyway it's uh it's completely

1196
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:43,040
in ruins the windows are smashed out the

1197
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,599
weeds are a waist high uh it it uh so

1198
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,880
there's really nothing there but there's

1199
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,400
there's nobody there used to be guards

1200
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,000
there stopping people from going on now

1201
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,280
it's wide open so anyway these guys

1202
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:57,119
uh the three of them they they knew

1203
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,720
exactly what they were doing i mean

1204
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,280
these guys were sharp so one guy they

1205
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,359
stationed they stationed themselves

1206
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,520
around the ranch up on the hill

1207
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,359
and there's a windmill it still works

1208
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,520
it's still working a windmill above the

1209
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,040
ranch and that's one of the strangest

1210
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,520
places on earth i don't know why

1211
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,280
but the really weird

1212
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,960
the really weird stuff that happens to

1213
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,880
people on the bradshaw ranch has always

1214
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,200
been near that windmill in fact i was

1215
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:22,960
being interviewed

1216
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,200
on a on a a for a national tv show

1217
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,680
i forgot the name but anyway one guy had

1218
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:32,000
to go go up uh on the hill to take a

1219
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,880
leak

1220
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,520
and uh he he was up by the the uh the uh

1221
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,680
the windmill behind the windmill

1222
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,599
and uh he came back an hour later and

1223
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:41,280
he's one of the camera crew and they say

1224
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,559
where the hell have you been for an hour

1225
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,480
he said i i was just gone a few minutes

1226
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,920
but he said you know it's funny i heard

1227
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,839
these strange voices

1228
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,680
like like some kind of a foreign

1229
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:54,000
language in horses running in the

1230
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,839
distance and there's no horses out there

1231
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,960
anymore they haven't been for a long

1232
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:59,119
time so he came back and they were real

1233
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,400
mad at him because he had a tight

1234
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,760
schedule and he

1235
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,839
he put him back an hour so and this is a

1236
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,520
national camera crew so i mean stuff

1237
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:07,599
like that happens out here and

1238
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:08,240
he

1239
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:09,119
so

1240
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:13,599
went down right he's hearing horses from

1241
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,800
the past

1242
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,400
well yeah i know i that's you know a lot

1243
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,079
of these mysteries i i have no idea i

1244
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,520
don't have a clue but what happened with

1245
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,040
these three guys

1246
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,880
one of the guys got up it was there he

1247
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,440
was stationed by the by the by the uh

1248
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,960
and i interviewed these guys for two

1249
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,400
hours and they were straight

1250
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,480
straightforward researchers you know

1251
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,480
nuts and bolts researchers

1252
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,599
and i i i so one guy stationed himself

1253
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,599
at the windmill another guy was further

1254
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,480
over

1255
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,799
and then then there was another guy uh

1256
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,640
further uh north

1257
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,400
and now get a load of this i mean this

1258
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,319
is pretty weird even for the bradshaw

1259
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,160
ranch so they were they were they were

1260
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,599
they were all stationed and they had all

1261
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,119
their equipment going

1262
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,680
and uh and nobody got this this on film

1263
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,520
so they're watching

1264
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,440
above the bradshaw ranch is what we call

1265
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,599
bradshaw hills it's kind of officially

1266
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,760
called bradshaw hill now

1267
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,359
so uh

1268
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,960
a a car

1269
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,839
stopped at the top of bradshaw hill

1270
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,680
and uh it stayed there for a while they

1271
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,960
were watching it because they knew i was

1272
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,640
they read my books they knew all strange

1273
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,559
stuff that happened out there so

1274
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,510
so the car took off it starts coming

1275
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,319
down towards the the bradshaw ranch and

1276
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,680
it wasn't on the road it was going

1277
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,200
through the trees

1278
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,040
just like a car tail lights headlights

1279
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,599
the whole deal and it's it's it's

1280
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,200
going like uh

1281
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,880
i've seen this so i know exactly what

1282
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,720
those guys were talking about linda

1283
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:36,559
bradshaw and i used to see it often and

1284
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,920
they a ufo can mimic a car perfectly you

1285
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,760
you you wouldn't know the difference so

1286
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,160
anyway

1287
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,240
they

1288
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,280
through the trees and you know you

1289
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,040
couldn't even you you'd have a hard time

1290
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,880
driving a tank down through there those

1291
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,119
trees and rocks are so so bad right so

1292
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,839
the car gets down to the ranch the edge

1293
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,960
of the ranch and it didn't go through

1294
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,640
the gate there's a big metal gate out

1295
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:03,280
there still and uh it went cut across

1296
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,520
the field went through a a chicken a a

1297
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:09,119
chicken wire fence that surrounds the

1298
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:10,880
ranch now the university put it up with

1299
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,799
a big sign it went through the through

1300
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,480
the fence didn't knock it down just went

1301
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,440
through it

1302
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,200
and then then uh it went across a

1303
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,440
cultivated field you know the the ruts

1304
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,640
in the field would

1305
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,559
would be hard eating for a jeep

1306
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,280
so so uh the uh

1307
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,720
the car

1308
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,799
uh stopped went through the two two

1309
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,799
fences went right through them

1310
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,720
and drove across that cultivated field

1311
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,400
like it was a highway and then it

1312
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,400
stopped behind the ranch house

1313
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,640
uh and and just before that the guy up

1314
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,319
on the hill above the ranch house saw a

1315
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:42,799
guy in white pants come out of the woods

1316
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,440
and go behind the ranch house and the

1317
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,960
car pulled up just a few minutes

1318
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,720
afterwards and this girl got out all

1319
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,319
dressed in white

1320
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,319
and she she ran

1321
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:54,240
behind the ranch house i mean this car

1322
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,799
was everything tail lights

1323
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,720
headlights you know the the dome lights

1324
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:00,799
when she got out the whole deal

1325
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,359
so she went behind the ranch house and i

1326
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,280
said well did she have it did she have

1327
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,720
time to take a pee

1328
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:08,240
and they said no

1329
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,280
no we we we we watched you know we were

1330
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,720
timing that too

1331
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,359
so so the uh the

1332
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,119
the girl runs back to the car and the

1333
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,200
car goes back through the fence twice

1334
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,960
didn't knock it down

1335
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,640
and then it went across when it caught

1336
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,680
across this this cultivated field

1337
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,440
smooth like he was driving on a highway

1338
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,880
back up through the trees and

1339
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,280
disappeared so

1340
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,960
something happened to these three guys

1341
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,400
you know

1342
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,480
so i so i like i say i interviewed them

1343
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,760
for two hours

1344
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,520
and they were they were the guy the guy

1345
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,760
that was uh by the with the windmill and

1346
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,280
these guys these guys were smart they

1347
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,119
they knew all that you know they studied

1348
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,520
all the stuff about ufos and the

1349
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,240
researchers and read my books and and uh

1350
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,160
he the guy by the windmill got so

1351
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,559
confused and disoriented he got lost he

1352
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,400
went in the wrong direction

1353
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,319
and he got he got quite a ways from from

1354
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,559
where he was and realized he was not

1355
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,640
he's going away from the ranch

1356
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,480
so he came back and they all got

1357
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:06,400
together then i met him two days later

1358
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,760
and i interviewed him for two hours

1359
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,359
quite a story but that's typical of the

1360
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,319
ranch so the car am i understanding you

1361
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,640
correctly the car

1362
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,440
drove through the chicken wire without

1363
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,760
breaking it down yep drove right through

1364
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,079
it without breaking it down now tom i'm

1365
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:24,160
going to be out there uh as you know

1366
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,599
this weekend

1367
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,839
can i get onto the ranch

1368
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:29,920
will i get in trouble yeah no it's

1369
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,480
completely open now you can you can uh i

1370
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,760
have friends that go out there all the

1371
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,720
time just to see what they can uh rustle

1372
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,480
up you know and now it's it's uh it's

1373
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,480
completely open you can park out by the

1374
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,200
gate and just walk walk into it okay uh

1375
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,960
oh so i can't drive through the gate i

1376
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,319
have to park at the gate and then just

1377
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,400
walk through yeah it's only

1378
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,119
50 yards okay and and what about the

1379
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,119
windmill do i have access to that that's

1380
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,680
easy yeah yeah you can you can yeah

1381
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,359
the windmill is easily more easily

1382
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:58,960
accessible in the ranches you just walk

1383
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,079
up on the hills right there well um uh i

1384
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,480
have uh i have all the night vision

1385
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:06,799
right i've got all that stuff and

1386
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,559
and binoculars and things um i i think

1387
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,440
that

1388
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,839
i i i need to do this you know my first

1389
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,680
trip to sedona i didn't realize that i

1390
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:18,240
could actually get on the ranch yeah you

1391
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,040
can

1392
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,040
well i have a couple of friends that go

1393
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,400
out there all that they're out there all

1394
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,160
the time they do get some interesting

1395
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,920
stuff and by the way there was a guy

1396
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,480
here he's a famous filmmaker i'm not

1397
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,000
going to say his name but he put he put

1398
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:32,480
trail cameras all over the ranch

1399
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,640
and uh i i i i i kind of waited for him

1400
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:38,480
to call me and he

1401
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,599
he never caught he just kind of

1402
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,680
disappeared i you know i'd like to know

1403
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,520
what he got on those trail cameras he i

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00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,599
think he put eight trail cameras around

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the ranch

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00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,359
well uh we'll talk about him after the

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00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:50,880
show

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00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,920
um maybe maybe i maybe i can stir the

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00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,440
pot on that

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00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,119
i would like to i'd like to find that

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01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,440
out too as well well let's let's take a

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01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,839
break and when we come back tom uh we'll

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01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,920
talk about the history of the bradshaw

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01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,400
ranch because you probably more than

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anybody besides the bradshaws themselves

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01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,760
have spent more time at this ranch and

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01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,559
you know the history so uh let's let's

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keep this going i'm very excited this is

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fade to black i am your host jimmy

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church tonight tom dango is here

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eight books out and the links for all of

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gonna continue on with the bradshaw

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ranch after this short break and the

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight tom dango is

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01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,160
here

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01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,920
it's gonna be a great conversation i

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feel this coming tomorrow night jazz

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01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:11,839
shaw thursday night is another fader

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01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,319
night with open lines all night long

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01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:16,960
and i i just want to uh pick up right

1539
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,839
where we left off uh there tom

1540
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:21,680
uh about the bradshaw ranch by the way

1541
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:25,440
uh how is cell reception out there

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01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:26,319
uh

1543
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,960
well in place is not very good okay all

1544
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,720
right yeah i'm just wondering if i

1545
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,640
should live stream from the bradshaw

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01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,079
ranch

1547
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,160
well the signal strength there is pretty

1548
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,079
good but there are places it's dead

1549
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,799
around here okay well i'm excited about

1550
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:42,400
this now what

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01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:45,680
so you arrive in uh

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01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,559
um how soon after that did you meet the

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01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,319
bradshaws

1554
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:52,640
uh you know i i heard rumors about the

1555
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,119
bradshaw ranch and uh

1556
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:57,680
uh so i i got a letter from linda one

1557
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,880
day and uh and and and uh but by the way

1558
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:02,799
we tried to get bigelow interested in

1559
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,599
this stuff and they wouldn't have

1560
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,039
anything to do with this but we had a

1561
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,440
lot of experience we we could have

1562
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,160
uh added to uh the skinwalker ranch i

1563
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:12,640
just wanted anyway so so i got a letter

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01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:14,960
from linda and and i was uh

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i'd heard the rumors and i didn't know

1566
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anybody that knew the bradshaws and i

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01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:20,240
would just die in to go down there

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because i was you know a paranormal buff

1569
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,119
right right so yeah so

1570
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i got a letter from linda one day and

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01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,000
said tom can you come out to the ranch

1572
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,079
and strange things have been going on

1573
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:34,079
out here and she she gave me some of the

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01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,200
pictures

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01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,280
uh that she'd been getting out there you

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01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:39,119
know at night

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01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,799
and uh you know uh so anyway uh i don't

1578
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,319
want to lose track of where i am here

1579
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,640
but but linda linda bradshaw and linda

1580
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crystal they were orbs she was getting

1581
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photographs of orbs and linda bradshaw

1582
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:53,680
and linda crystal were the ones that

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01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,119
were the first ones that brought uh orb

1584
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,000
uh uh attention to the world and from

1585
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:02,480
the bradshaw ranch and linda crystal in

1586
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:05,039
pinebush new york it spread all around

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the world within a couple of months

1588
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because i watched i watched it carefully

1589
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:11,359
so so anyway there were photographs of

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orbs

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and uh uh

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see what she would do and and linda kind

1593
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:19,679
of pioneered this we just she would walk

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around at night with a 35 millimeter

1595
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,159
flash camera and just take flash

1596
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:26,319
pictures randomly anywhere up down

1597
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,520
sideways

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01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,400
uh you know so so i went out and i saw

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the pitches that she was taking

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so

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i started doing the same thing i was

1602
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,120
getting the same kind of stuff but

1603
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:39,920
different uh you know

1604
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:42,319
to make a long story short it's not it's

1605
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:44,239
not often the camera it's the person

1606
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:47,199
behind the camera that affects what the

1607
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:49,199
camera takes it took us a long time to

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01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,719
discover that

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01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,799
so anyway i ended up spending the next

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01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,279
four and a half years uh

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01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:57,759
on the bradshaw ranch

1612
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,120
about four times a week and i would

1613
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,040
leave about one o'clock in the morning

1614
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:03,359
and some of the stuff that happened uh

1615
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:06,159
to uh linda and i was was pretty pretty

1616
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,279
incredible

1617
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,120
but i i need to point out we were never

1618
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,279
hurt in any way with all this stuff so

1619
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:12,719
anyway i'll talk about some of it

1620
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:13,920
tonight

1621
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,759
uh so uh so anyway uh we uh we started i

1622
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,040
started getting some really strange

1623
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,279
stuff photographs out there and it got

1624
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:23,440
better and better and better and better

1625
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:24,640
and bob

1626
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,359
bob is uh you know he was an old redneck

1627
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,839
arizona cowboy rancher you know he

1628
01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,839
he came out one time he was on national

1629
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:33,920
tv he was on a

1630
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,040
a paranormal borderline with uh

1631
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:39,120
uh

1632
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,679
so bob bob went out one day this is two

1633
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:45,920
o'clock in the afternoon and a disc

1634
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:48,719
landed in the apple orchard and had

1635
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,000
hundreds of white spheres with it

1636
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,159
and it it so

1637
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,239
it uh it was it was about 30 feet across

1638
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:57,600
but it landed right in front of him and

1639
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,719
yeah

1640
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,400
you know i mean this you know keep in

1641
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:03,040
mind bob just a you know an arizona

1642
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:05,760
cowboy died in the world arizona cowboy

1643
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,360
book and so anyway he he he wouldn't

1644
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,080
come out again linda used to go in and

1645
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,159
say bob you've got to come out and see

1646
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,440
this

1647
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,159
wait wait wait wait wait tom tom hold on

1648
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:20,320
here let's pump the brakes

1649
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:23,120
you're saying that jonathan frakes uh

1650
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:26,480
witnessed with bob uh a craft land in

1651
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:27,679
the orchard

1652
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,120
no uh bob was uh interviewed uh by

1653
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,199
jonathan frakes when bob was on the

1654
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,280
ranch for the the show paranormal

1655
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:37,040
borderline right

1656
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,719
and uh bob was describing what he saw

1657
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,320
in the orchard

1658
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,800
and uh he uh from that day on he would

1659
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,400
not come out of the house

1660
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,159
linda there were things incredible

1661
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,239
things that linda and i saw

1662
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:52,880
but uh bob he would absolutely you

1663
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,520
refused to come out and linda tried to

1664
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:57,040
drag him out but he wouldn't come out

1665
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,120
you stayed stayed and watched tv in the

1666
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:01,440
in the house in the ranch house now what

1667
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,239
was your there's always that moment

1668
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,320
right where you you stopping to go okay

1669
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:08,560
holy crap this is real right i'm not

1670
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,679
crazy

1671
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,120
um

1672
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:12,960
what was that moment at the bradshaw

1673
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,679
ranch for you

1674
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,840
well you know we got uh we would walk

1675
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:20,080
around taking flash pictures and we were

1676
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,679
getting things like

1677
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,719
uh

1678
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,199
strange things like for instance both

1679
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,880
both linda and i

1680
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:29,360
took a flash picture it at exactly the

1681
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,480
same time and a feather a white feather

1682
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:34,159
appeared in front with the cameras

1683
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,600
didn't record it

1684
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,000
but there was a white feather about 14

1685
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,760
feet tall right in front of us both

1686
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,080
lynda linda and i used to say if you

1687
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,000
hadn't seen that too i i would know i'm

1688
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,000
crazy insane

1689
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,159
uh so anyway things like that but the

1690
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,400
cameras didn't record it but the cameras

1691
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,400
would often record stuff

1692
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:55,360
and i've got i've got them right here

1693
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,159
uh stuff that uh uh we couldn't see but

1694
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,159
the camera could see it and now that's a

1695
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:02,320
scientific fact a camera can see far

1696
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:05,199
more than the human eye can see sure

1697
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,480
now describe this uh 14-foot white

1698
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,000
feather

1699
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,080
well that's what it was it you know we

1700
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:14,480
things like that would happen and uh

1701
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,960
we we just we we couldn't there's no no

1702
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,280
way to explain it you know no we it was

1703
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,360
beyond our understanding but it was

1704
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:23,760
there we both saw it however it appeared

1705
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,719
there

1706
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,199
uh you know in the the uh the the the

1707
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:30,159
famous uh portal that was uh on the

1708
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,840
bradshaw ranch was

1709
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,560
about uh 40 feet from the ranch house

1710
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,400
about 30 feet in the air it was about 30

1711
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:38,400
feet across

1712
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:41,120
and linda was real sensitive to to this

1713
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,719
uh you know this stuff that came out of

1714
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:45,040
the portal and there were times she was

1715
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,840
far more sensitive to it than i was

1716
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,120
but uh

1717
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,960
at times we it seemed like we were in

1718
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,960
times square in new york there were so

1719
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,120
many things going on around us and and

1720
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:57,600
odors and and strange smells like

1721
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:00,960
burning tar and sulfur and roses

1722
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:06,159
uh so it uh uh you know it uh uh

1723
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,440
hard to explain unless you've

1724
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:09,360
experienced it it's hard to explain but

1725
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,719
the uh uh we uh so we we continued with

1726
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,719
this and we had a about three three

1727
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,520
years in we had a pack that if we if we

1728
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,840
if we were killed

1729
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,199
doing this stuff we were going to push

1730
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,120
it to the limit we were going to push

1731
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:25,360
this stuff to see what it is because we

1732
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,199
knew it was going to disappear

1733
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,120
just like the stuff that

1734
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:31,120
in the san luis valley in colorado then

1735
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,719
just appeared at the same time it did in

1736
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,920
sedona

1737
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,679
with chris o'brien

1738
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,440
and chris and i were we would go back

1739
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,280
and forth and this the stuff that went

1740
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,679
on in the san luis valley in colorado

1741
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,280
near crestone was

1742
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,880
fantastic

1743
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,960
but it was different than sedona so we

1744
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,480
would chris and i would go back and

1745
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,080
forth and compare

1746
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,159
uh you know the stuff and it changed

1747
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,080
suddenly then it disappeared

1748
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:56,640
uh so we we knew it was going to happen

1749
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,760
now this the portal at bradshaw ranch

1750
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:01,280
which is

1751
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,480
uh something that has become so much of

1752
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,560
uh you know a part of our community

1753
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,000
right this is

1754
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:09,760
this is something that is discussed a

1755
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,640
lot

1756
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:12,000
um

1757
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:12,960
tell

1758
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,400
how when we say portal and i like the

1759
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,000
way that you described it you know it's

1760
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,800
50 feet out of 50 feet or 30 feet up in

1761
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:21,760
the air

1762
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,960
so

1763
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:24,159
how did you

1764
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:27,440
portal there

1765
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,280
this isn't something that you see is it

1766
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,600
well you know strange things

1767
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,239
were happening on the ranch and uh linda

1768
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:38,320
was like i say was far more sensitive to

1769
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:40,400
this stuff than i was and she got

1770
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,920
photographs uh of other places in in

1771
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,199
that portal

1772
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,719
and and there was one that we got into a

1773
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,440
lot of trouble over in uh uh it was a uh

1774
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:51,440
it was that uh

1775
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:52,719
there's a photograph

1776
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,000
it was the same as as uh in in in

1777
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,560
oregon uh right i can't think of that

1778
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,560
the name of it right now

1779
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,800
so she got it was the same she got that

1780
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,880
same exact photograph and we we at the

1781
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:06,320
time we didn't know about that other

1782
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:09,199
photograph right so it was in the portal

1783
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,719
and and uh

1784
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,320
and i've seen this two or three times

1785
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,040
myself it's like a huge black and white

1786
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,640
television set

1787
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,679
in between stations the static right and

1788
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,280
uh i've got a photograph of that

1789
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,520
somewhere a lot of our photographs

1790
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,280
disappeared

1791
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:27,600
so it uh it you know it just got more

1792
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,800
and more interesting and i've had uh i

1793
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:32,239
i've been studying

1794
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,600
you know i'm

1795
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:36,239
i'm 77 years old now i've been i've been

1796
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,239
in this for 50 years you know like bob

1797
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,760
dean was one of my best friends and

1798
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,239
wendell stephen so you know i hung out

1799
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:44,480
with these guys a lot so i heard things

1800
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,199
that

1801
01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:47,520
uh extra extraterrestrials are

1802
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:50,840
commonplace for me for me now i i

1803
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,840
really uh you know it really it kind of

1804
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:55,760
bums me out when i when i hear people

1805
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,159
say oh aliens are really real you know

1806
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:00,320
that kind of thing and

1807
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:01,600
so i say yeah

1808
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,640
you know they are and uh so

1809
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,800
you know colonel cory saw the day of uh

1810
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,520
with the day after roswell his book the

1811
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,239
the military knew 20 years ago of 71

1812
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,320
different races of extraterrestrials on

1813
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,560
this planet either on this planet

1814
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:18,719
or coming and going so i've been i've

1815
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:19,760
been chasing these human

1816
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,960
extraterrestrials i've met four

1817
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,719
two of them i knew they were they were

1818
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,239
they were they were extraterrestrials

1819
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:27,920
and i met them here in cottonwood

1820
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,400
arizona they they didn't talk they

1821
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:32,080
wouldn't talk to me

1822
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,120
one was a tall white a female tall white

1823
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,360
uh and uh the tall whites are not

1824
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:39,360
friendly with us they they don't like

1825
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,400
humans

1826
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,480
and the guy was about she was uh i'm six

1827
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,640
foot two and she was about six foot two

1828
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:47,040
uh skin as white as

1829
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,560
white as a sheet and she had wrapped

1830
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,800
around sunglasses on

1831
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,719
her over her eyes

1832
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:54,480
and she was dressed completely in black

1833
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,040
and she was she was terrified in the

1834
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:59,040
middle of the aisle

1835
01:17:01,510 --> 01:17:00,800
it seemed to me she'd probably never

1836
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:01,520
been

1837
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,000
in a supermarket before so all these

1838
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,520
people are going by her and didn't look

1839
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,800
at her

1840
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:08,880
and uh i was on the show one night and

1841
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:12,000
and uh he uh uh he said you know maybe

1842
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,760
the aliens couldn't see you and i

1843
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,199
thought well i never thought they never

1844
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:17,040
looked at me once i was five feet from

1845
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,800
the girl

1846
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,199
so he had one eye that was uh blue and

1847
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:22,960
the other eye green he was about six

1848
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:25,600
foot five and he had blonde hair

1849
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,800
his eyes were just like a siberian husky

1850
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,800
so i'm i'm standing five feet from the

1851
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:33,040
girl studying her and neither one of

1852
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:35,600
them looked at me once and so

1853
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,480
uh

1854
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:38,320
he he came over and gently took her by

1855
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:40,000
the arm and led her away but she was

1856
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:42,080
terrified she was standing

1857
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,840
uh in the in the middle of people you

1858
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:46,159
know going by or not looking at her once

1859
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:48,080
pushing carts and whatnot

1860
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:49,760
and so he came over and gently took her

1861
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,719
by the arm and uh they uh they uh got a

1862
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,760
car

1863
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:55,520
and they were they were they and

1864
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,440
everybody says what was it

1865
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,360
well what were they buying and i said

1866
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,120
well twinkies white bread and bad

1867
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,360
hamburger you know i would do that just

1868
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,960
for the egg of it

1869
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:06,480
you know but they would take they would

1870
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,480
go down the aisle i watched them and

1871
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:10,320
they they would take something off a

1872
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:11,920
rack and and i know what they were

1873
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,600
thinking they was they were thinking

1874
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,239
humans actually eat this crap they put

1875
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,840
it back i mean you could tell what they

1876
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:19,280
were thinking and they didn't buy

1877
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,480
anything i watched them for quite a

1878
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,239
while then i had to leave it was about 9

1879
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,719
30. they were still there

1880
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,600
so anyway that's one of my and i've had

1881
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:29,120
you know a couple of books have been

1882
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,960
been written about that the great

1883
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:32,960
tricksters you know extraterrestrials

1884
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:35,679
love to play tricks on us stupid humans

1885
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:39,360
earth humans and it's true they they do

1886
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,120
they've done it to me a couple of times

1887
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,760
long stories yeah no what happened how

1888
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,159
did you get tricked yeah okay

1889
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:50,480
the uh when i when i uh let's see which

1890
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,189
you can tell both

1891
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:58,239
yeah yeah well

1892
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,880
when i lived in uh santa cruz california

1893
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:02,800
i was i just started to get an interest

1894
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:06,000
in in uh extraterrestrials

1895
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:08,320
he got curious about aliens you know and

1896
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,600
so i said okay if uh uh

1897
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:13,520
if you people you're real i had a lunch

1898
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,280
hour i went from 12 to 1 o'clock and i

1899
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,600
said meet me at 12 o'clock at star of

1900
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,040
the sea park

1901
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:21,120
and santa cruz you've been to santa cruz

1902
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,560
you know how cold it can get there even

1903
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,159
in the summer when the wind comes in off

1904
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:26,880
the ocean right so it was it was very

1905
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,920
cold and uh so i expected some some

1906
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:31,600
green monster to come bounding out of

1907
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:33,760
the bushes you know and it was exact

1908
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,760
exactly twelve o'clock one o'clock at

1909
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,679
exactly one o'clock so

1910
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,440
uh

1911
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:41,360
at exactly one o'clock right to the

1912
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,400
second

1913
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:44,000
an old pickup

1914
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,239
like a 53 chevy pickup pulled in beside

1915
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,400
me and and i was kind of

1916
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,719
irked because there was enough parking

1917
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:54,159
space there for two or three hundred

1918
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:57,520
cars and she pulled in right beside me

1919
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,040
and uh

1920
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,440
and i could say it was cold

1921
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,440
and so she got out and she was dressed

1922
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:05,920
in very light clothes and the baby she

1923
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:08,560
had a baby and the baby was uh just in a

1924
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,280
diaper and she got out and there was

1925
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,960
some sun there so instead of putting her

1926
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:14,480
blanket in the sun

1927
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:16,560
she put it in the shade of a tree a pine

1928
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,960
tree so i didn't really think anything

1929
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:20,800
of it but

1930
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:22,400
uh

1931
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:26,080
you know i'm thinking well i guess the

1932
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,520
extraterrestrials aren't going to show

1933
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,880
up today

1934
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:30,719
so i i backed up and i had to get back

1935
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:33,040
to work and i backed up and as i was

1936
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,840
pulling

1937
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,600
away

1938
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:37,760
the baby looked at me and gave me a wave

1939
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:40,800
that was not typical of a baby it was a

1940
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:41,760
very

1941
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,679
uh uh adult wave like you fool you

1942
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:47,440
didn't figure this out you know

1943
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,880
until later so they they were

1944
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:50,880
extraterrestrials

1945
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:52,560
uh and then the other time was was here

1946
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:55,679
in sedona i was we we were uh it was in

1947
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,239
the spring they'd been snowing a lot

1948
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,880
and uh um

1949
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:02,560
my girlfriend at the time we were trying

1950
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,440
to find a petroglyph site

1951
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:07,840
uh it was up in the up in the canyons

1952
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:11,440
towards flagstaff and we were uh

1953
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:13,199
the mud was brutal you know you lift up

1954
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:14,719
your foot you've got five inches of mud

1955
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:17,600
sticking to the bottom of your your boot

1956
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,120
so

1957
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:21,199
i i was trying to find the petroglyph

1958
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:22,800
site which was you know i've been there

1959
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:26,239
two or three times i couldn't find it so

1960
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:28,080
out of the bushes comes walking this

1961
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:29,360
girl

1962
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,280
with uh she had uh

1963
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:33,440
i think a white wool sweater and red

1964
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:34,639
slacks

1965
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,840
pretty blonde about 27 years old and i'm

1966
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:39,760
i'm looking at her in almost all the

1967
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,239
women around here the crime is very low

1968
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:43,920
here but they almost they always have a

1969
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,480
dog with them and she didn't have a dog

1970
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,480
so i'm sweating like a like a pig you

1971
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:49,840
know because i've been looking for this

1972
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,600
this petroglyph site

1973
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,840
so she went over to my my girlfriend and

1974
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,960
i couldn't hear what they were talking

1975
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,800
about because the water was the snow was

1976
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:58,400
melting it was it was

1977
01:22:01,669 --> 01:22:00,080
uh the water was roaring like the

1978
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,679
colorado river at the bottom of this

1979
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:03,360
ravine

1980
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:05,679
so i i kind of motioned for the girl to

1981
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:06,800
come over

1982
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,120
and she was very very quiet and she was

1983
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,199
cl clean as a whistle i mean she had no

1984
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,199
no dirt on or whatsoever

1985
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,120
yeah and like i said the mud was brutal

1986
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,520
she had street shoes on

1987
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:19,280
and i i asked her i said do you happen

1988
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:21,600
to know where the petroglyph site is

1989
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,639
and she spoke so quietly i had i had to

1990
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,719
put my ear right up to her mouth to hear

1991
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:28,639
what she said

1992
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:31,199
uh and she just pointed to where i was

1993
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,280
standing and she said it starts right

1994
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,280
there and sure enough that's where the

1995
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:37,440
trail is and i asked her i said how did

1996
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,719
you know that

1997
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,239
i couldn't find it i've been here many

1998
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,800
times and i i couldn't find it she just

1999
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:44,400
looked at me so

2000
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:46,719
this is where it gets really interesting

2001
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,639
so we went down and it was almost

2002
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:50,960
straight down it was um it was uh almost

2003
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,080
a 90 90 degrees a brutal hike down there

2004
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,679
just had to hang on the rocks and the

2005
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:57,280
bushes whatever

2006
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:01,040
so it was it was the petroglyph site so

2007
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,920
the water was roaring so so loud

2008
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,719
i i was yelling to my girlfriend uh or

2009
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,960
she she yelled to me and i i turned

2010
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,040
around yelling to her and i turned

2011
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,679
around and the girl was right there

2012
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:15,840
uh right in my face

2013
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:17,600
and i i looked up and there's no

2014
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:19,920
possible way and people said could she

2015
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,440
have been a ghost no

2016
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:23,280
no i don't think so

2017
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:24,560
she had i think she was an

2018
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,000
extraterrestrial

2019
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:27,840
so the girl was right there right in my

2020
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,880
face and and i i saw i

2021
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:33,120
she she came towards me more and she

2022
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,639
wanted to talk about the petroglyphs and

2023
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:36,000
she was seeing some things i was so

2024
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,199
stunned

2025
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:39,120
at turning around and she was standing

2026
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,560
right there

2027
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,639
you know and and uh

2028
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,400
there's no way you you you could see

2029
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,480
somebody coming for

2030
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,960
50 yards up that trail

2031
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:50,960
but she just uh she material she

2032
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,360
materialized there basically so i turned

2033
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:55,760
around again to uh my girlfriend because

2034
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:57,120
she was yelling at me again she couldn't

2035
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:58,880
see me from where she was i turned

2036
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:01,280
around again the girl's gone

2037
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,920
that's that's an extraterrestrial trick

2038
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:05,600
so that's that's what i've been

2039
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:08,080
experiencing the uh

2040
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:10,960
so the trail when you left her to go

2041
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,520
down this 90 degree right this steep

2042
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,440
trail with your girlfriend

2043
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:17,679
she was behind you

2044
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:19,280
right you left her there no she didn't

2045
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:20,719
know she yeah she was still up she

2046
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:23,760
didn't she she uh disappeared yeah right

2047
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,000
right yeah right yeah and interesting

2048
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,800
that's that's impossible yeah no

2049
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,960
especially with she didn't have we had

2050
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,040
hiking boots with you know

2051
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,639
vibram soles and that sort of thing she

2052
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:36,800
had she had street shoes on it'll be

2053
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,159
almost impossible to go down that trail

2054
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,159
it was so muddy

2055
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:44,159
uh so anyway those are those are the

2056
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:47,199
experiences i've had i i've seen these

2057
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:48,800
images

2058
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,880
over the years i've had a lot sent to me

2059
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:52,960
and i've seen many online some were

2060
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:56,840
yours too as well yeah of these um

2061
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,080
uh i'm gonna say lights

2062
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:02,400
and and some of these objects at

2063
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:05,120
bradshaw have been given names over the

2064
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:06,960
years too as well

2065
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,159
um

2066
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,639
and uh i'll let you go into that but

2067
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:12,400
um a couple of

2068
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:16,000
uh them come to mind and one was a group

2069
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:19,040
of orange yellow

2070
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:20,800
balls that

2071
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:23,520
had come out of the portal and were up

2072
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,040
above the ranch

2073
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:27,679
now i've seen pictures not taken at the

2074
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:29,280
same time you know these are over the

2075
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:32,159
years some from above the ranch maybe

2076
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:33,679
this is by the windmill that you're

2077
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,040
talking about

2078
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:37,679
some above the ranch and then some down

2079
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:41,600
from the ranch itself but of these same

2080
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,280
uh this two or three uh balls of light

2081
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:47,600
that have been described as a craft that

2082
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,159
have come in and out of this portal

2083
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,639
can can you can you speak to that a

2084
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,360
little bit and tell me what's going on

2085
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,199
well we never saw her always come out of

2086
01:26:02,550 --> 01:25:59,520
the portal but but uh that's not the the

2087
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:02,560
the or the spheres the orbs were uh you

2088
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,159
know we uh we we got to uh

2089
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,080
i get so fired up about this stuff i

2090
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,040
talk too fast so i'm gonna slow down

2091
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,320
uh so so anyway we we uh they we never

2092
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:16,400
saw him come out of the portal but

2093
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:17,520
here's how

2094
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,639
those orbs were alive they were living

2095
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,960
things i've talked about it in my books

2096
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:27,280
we were for a couple of years we saw

2097
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:28,719
these lights in the distance and they

2098
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,920
were they were we thought they were

2099
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,080
landing lights at the cottonwood airport

2100
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,239
it looked like landing lights so you

2101
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,400
know i s one day i said you know linda i

2102
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:39,120
don't think those are planes landing

2103
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,480
and uh she uh she so we had we had three

2104
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,800
million candle power spotlights so we

2105
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:46,960
started shining them at these these uh

2106
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,320
uh spheres in the distance the orbs

2107
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,080
and uh

2108
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:54,560
after a while they started to react

2109
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,040
uh and and uh somebody wrote a book a

2110
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:59,040
book about these things in the

2111
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,880
and he said that they had probably had

2112
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:03,120
an intelligence about that of a dog and

2113
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,400
i would agree

2114
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,239
because they the way they reacted they

2115
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,400
were living they were alive so they

2116
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,480
would mimic you know we did a morse code

2117
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:12,560
thing you know flash flash flash three

2118
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,760
two two

2119
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:15,840
two you know three and they would flash

2120
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:16,719
back

2121
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,360
at that so that's intelligence

2122
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:21,600
and i've seen i did one with an orb one

2123
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,960
night in the sky they were they were a

2124
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,320
long ways away they wouldn't come close

2125
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:26,400
to us linda did finally get them to come

2126
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,280
very close to her within about 20 feet

2127
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:30,800
not me they wouldn't come they didn't

2128
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:31,760
they didn't

2129
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,880
but they would they i had uh one night i

2130
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,040
was uh

2131
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,280
uh playing games with one of these orbs

2132
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,600
and i i and i and i turned the flat the

2133
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,679
uh the spotlight back and forth back and

2134
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,560
forth

2135
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,000
and probably one of the most incredible

2136
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,840
things i've ever seen in my life that

2137
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,000
that sphere tried to mimic it it would

2138
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:54,000
dull down flash

2139
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:55,280
dull down

2140
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,480
do but that shows clear intelligence and

2141
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,639
it was just responding to you

2142
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,920
yeah

2143
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:05,360
and uh

2144
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:08,639
any any particular time of night

2145
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:11,120
no totally random i've been asked that

2146
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,960
many many times it's all of it it's

2147
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:14,400
totally random

2148
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,040
if you try to map it out or plan it out

2149
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,280
or figure it out it never works it's

2150
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:21,040
just totally

2151
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:24,639
uh up to them whoever they are uh to to

2152
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:27,280
appear or not appear you can't plan on

2153
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:29,199
it ever now we're going to head to a

2154
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,239
break in a couple of minutes uh tom

2155
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:34,800
you said that you didn't see anything

2156
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:37,600
uh come out of the portal

2157
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,560
um

2158
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,400
did you ever see them come from the sky

2159
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,480
did they start in the stars and come

2160
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:44,080
down

2161
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,360
no they would they would just more or

2162
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:47,280
less just appear

2163
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,880
uh uh

2164
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:51,040
you know they they were

2165
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,560
we think that what was coming through

2166
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,440
that portal was from another dimension

2167
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:56,960
so that's that's the only you know we

2168
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:58,960
have no real evidence but that was our

2169
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,239
suspicion that they were coming from

2170
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,760
another dimension they could they could

2171
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,840
see us clearly they could see us but we

2172
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,120
couldn't see them

2173
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:07,520
which is the subject of your book

2174
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:08,400
yeah

2175
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:11,920
and now um uh what about

2176
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:14,880
uh what i was just suggesting here

2177
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,080
uh did you in your nights out there were

2178
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:20,480
you looking at the stars were you sky

2179
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:23,600
watching and looking up

2180
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:27,199
you know we were so busy with this uh

2181
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:29,120
super paranormal stuff

2182
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:31,440
i i don't think we ever looked up into

2183
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:33,199
the sky once

2184
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:36,840
uh uh uh i'll tell you i've got endless

2185
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:40,000
stories so yeah

2186
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,920
i had a friend uh that uh he uh we uh we

2187
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:46,080
both had uh cameras that would film

2188
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:49,520
there was zero lux cameras the sony's

2189
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,800
uh and so we were we were uh we were

2190
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:54,560
trying to get a

2191
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:58,239
film of a a a ufo so

2192
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,520
uh one night we saw three ufos flying

2193
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:03,520
right over sedona i'm talking tree top

2194
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:04,480
level

2195
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:07,920
three of them they were they were uh uh

2196
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,679
spheres white white

2197
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,000
uh spherical disc shape

2198
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,159
and they flew right over sedona

2199
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,239
and they were headed towards us so i i

2200
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:18,840
yelled i go i banged on the door i said

2201
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,280
uh jim grab your camera and come out he

2202
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:23,760
had a really good camera and uh so we

2203
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:27,280
came out we filmed these things and

2204
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:28,880
jim passed away a couple years ago

2205
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:30,880
unfortunately the film went with him but

2206
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,040
we got this thing

2207
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:35,520
a an airport a plane just took off a

2208
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:38,000
single engine cessna type plane just

2209
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,840
took off from the air airport the

2210
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:42,320
airport which was above us

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and

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01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:46,880
it had to dive to miss the lead ufo

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because they were flying right over us

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right

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01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,520
they would have passed just to the north

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of the airport and we actually got that

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01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:56,000
cessna had to dive so it didn't hit the

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01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,280
lead ufo we had that on film

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that's incredible let's take our break

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right here this is fade to black our

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guest tonight tom dongo

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talking about sedona in the bradshaw

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ranch i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black stay with us more

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with time after this short break

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you're listening to fade to black

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01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:58,070
hi

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01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:00,239
i'm rhys evans you're listening to jimmy

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,960
host jimmy church tonight tom dango is

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01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:56,400
here for the first time tomorrow night

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01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:59,760
jazz shaw stopping by for the first time

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01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:01,360
thursday night is another fader night

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01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:03,199
with open lines all night long our guest

2313
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,800
tonight tom dango

2314
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:07,040
talking about the rat shot ranch in

2315
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:10,800
sedona arizona and tom i wanted to add i

2316
01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:12,639
wanted to go back to uh

2317
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,239
something that you mentioned earlier

2318
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:15,840
that the university has

2319
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,280
has come in and

2320
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,239
and and taken possession of of bradshaw

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01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:22,480
ranch and for a minute

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01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:23,360
uh

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01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:27,840
security guards out at the property and

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01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:30,639
it and you weren't allowed onto it

2325
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:32,639
what do you know about that why did

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01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,520
why did they take it over and uh

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01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:38,320
get possession of it

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01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,199
uh

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01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:40,960
you know it's confusing to me too

2330
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,679
because it uh they were the university

2331
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:44,880
was supposed to

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01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,920
bulldoze all the uh the ranch houses and

2333
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:49,920
build dormitories where the with the uh

2334
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:52,800
the ranch house is now and uh that was

2335
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,159
four years ago and they haven't done

2336
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,880
anything so

2337
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,639
maybe they've been reading my books and

2338
01:37:01,430 --> 01:37:00,320
scared him to death

2339
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:01,440
uh

2340
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:03,280
so they haven't done anything they have

2341
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,320
they they they tilled that is about oh

2342
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,639
half an acre is what they're doing is

2343
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:11,040
they're doing research on native arizona

2344
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:13,360
plants uh

2345
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:14,960
to see how they react to different

2346
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,400
things uh

2347
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,840
water and all that sort of thing so

2348
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,159
that's that's really all i know but

2349
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,920
they're uh they they haven't done

2350
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:23,520
anything now it's wide open it used to

2351
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,360
there used to be a guard

2352
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,360
uh a uh

2353
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:29,360
on the property and he was real nasty

2354
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,360
but that's been years

2355
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:33,360
so no it's wide open now there's no

2356
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:35,440
restrictions at all that i know of and

2357
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:37,600
they're not trying to stop anybody

2358
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:41,920
now um and the other interesting part uh

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01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:43,520
the reason why i was asking you about

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01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:45,199
looking to the sky

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01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:47,360
and with some of this stuff coming from

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01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:48,560
elsewhere

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01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,159
um that this is this is paranormal this

2364
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:54,800
is supernatural paranormal activity at

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01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:58,560
the ranch itself and that is what is is

2366
01:38:01,270 --> 01:38:00,159
is happening there

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01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,280
right and

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01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:03,760
as aside from bob's sighting of of a

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01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,639
craft landing in the orchard

2370
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,960
yeah well you know it it changes i you

2371
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:10,639
know i've been i've been here i said

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01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:13,040
well let's see 34 years now you know

2373
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:14,159
i've been studying i've been watching

2374
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:16,000
this stuff i rarely get out anymore

2375
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:17,520
because i'm just too busy doing other

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01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,800
things

2377
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:21,119
but uh i i do keep an eye on and see

2378
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:22,639
what's happening you know it's still

2379
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:25,600
going on it changes about every 10 years

2380
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:27,520
completely changes from from something

2381
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:29,119
to something else

2382
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,760
and uh it uh it's still going on and

2383
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:33,600
it's just different now

2384
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,000
it's it's it's lesser but it's it's it's

2385
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:38,000
it's pretty dramatic still yeah

2386
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:41,280
different in what way tom well

2387
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:42,159
uh

2388
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,000
yeah i just thought of something i

2389
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:50,960
forgot it uh but there are there are uh

2390
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:54,320
bases here there there's alien bases and

2391
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:58,159
uh american us military bases and that

2392
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,159
that's i think that has had it effect

2393
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:01,920
effect on it a lot

2394
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,000
richard salder who is i think he's in

2395
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:07,119
bolivia brazil now he's the world expert

2396
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:08,480
on

2397
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:10,239
underground tunnels

2398
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:12,800
and uh richard now you used to be in

2399
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:15,040
close contact but he says that uh

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01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:18,000
sedona's riddled with tunnels and it is

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01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:21,119
they uh about uh

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01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:23,600
would have been about 1992

2403
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,880
a tunnel was drilled from secret canyon

2404
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:29,520
under the bradshaw ranch up to jerome

2405
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,320
and

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01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,719
jerome's at about uh well mingus

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01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:34,159
mountain there is about eight thousand

2408
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:36,320
feet in jerome's at about six thousand

2409
01:39:40,229 --> 01:39:38,480
so the the ranch everything on the ranch

2410
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,239
was shaking the water pipes were shaking

2411
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,400
the windmill was shaking so it was an

2412
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:44,080
enormous tunnel that was being drilled

2413
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:46,159
it went right under underneath the ranch

2414
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:47,360
so

2415
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:49,760
it went up to jerome and underneath

2416
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:52,480
jerome jerome has had around the turn of

2417
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:54,239
the century about a bill a billion

2418
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,639
dollars worth of copper ore

2419
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,199
and they hit uh four thousand feet

2420
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:00,960
straight down that's two thousand feet

2421
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,880
from where i am right now below

2422
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,800
cottonwood arizona

2423
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:07,280
forty two hundred feet straight down in

2424
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:10,080
a shaft they hit an enormous deposit of

2425
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,600
gold and silver

2426
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:14,159
i mean enormous so there's a cavern down

2427
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:16,080
there and it's probably dry

2428
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:19,920
so what's it what's in it has this 77 77

2429
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:23,119
miles of tunnels uh

2430
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:24,239
underneath

2431
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,320
where they drilled for the copper

2432
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:28,560
so anything could be in in those tunnels

2433
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:29,600
anything

2434
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:32,000
and things i've i've seen in fact i got

2435
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,119
into trouble with a a guy he was a

2436
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:36,400
he was a a

2437
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,000
police lieutenant from tucson

2438
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:42,400
and uh we were out there one time

2439
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,320
and we were close to cottonwood we were

2440
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:45,840
filming things

2441
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:48,000
around jerome

2442
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,199
that were

2443
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:51,520
one one of them looked like a a uh uh

2444
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:53,920
i've seen i've seen ufos land

2445
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,159
just outside of jerome uh

2446
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,320
uh to the uh to the west of jerome so

2447
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,880
there's some kind of some kind of a

2448
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:02,239
uh uh

2449
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:03,040
a

2450
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:10,000
these things going on

2451
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:11,199
and uh

2452
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:13,920
like a dummy i had green lasers and we

2453
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:15,040
started

2454
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,880
you know playing uh

2455
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,239
with the lasers with these things that

2456
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,159
were flying around

2457
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,080
and and uh and this guy was a he's a

2458
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:24,880
police lieutenant from tucson

2459
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,159
and pretty soon these cars showed up

2460
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:30,320
it was harassment they they had their

2461
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:33,760
high beams on us so

2462
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,000
yeah we you know somebody got a little

2463
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:38,639
bit upset about what we were doing

2464
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,679
and uh

2465
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:41,040
they they didn't get they didn't come

2466
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:42,239
very close to

2467
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,440
maybe

2468
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,679
a hundred yards they just had their high

2469
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,600
beams on us there were three three cars

2470
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,119
if i remember right

2471
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:51,600
so when we left we were parked his car

2472
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,400
and my car were parked in an open field

2473
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:57,119
and and and one of these cars just did

2474
01:42:02,629 --> 01:41:57,920
uh

2475
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,639
spun spun around as 360 degrees around

2476
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,119
around around stupid way to uh you know

2477
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:07,600
to to show whatever whatever they were

2478
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:10,639
pissed off about you know why but but uh

2479
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:12,639
i saw i had i had a police lieutenant

2480
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,719
witness this stuff as soon as we started

2481
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:16,800
using those green green lasers on these

2482
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,440
things these cars showed up

2483
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:21,280
to harass us

2484
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:24,800
but you know we didn't that was it

2485
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:26,800
the um

2486
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:30,400
the other part of sedona which i know

2487
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:31,679
quite a few

2488
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,199
uh like yourself that do ufo tour sky

2489
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:36,960
watching tours

2490
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,000
and

2491
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,639
um every one of them i'm not going to

2492
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:42,400
say their names but you know everybody

2493
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:43,600
that uh

2494
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:45,199
that does that there

2495
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:46,880
tells me the same thing that there isn't

2496
01:42:51,189 --> 01:42:49,840
a night that you can't go out in sedona

2497
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,199
and uh

2498
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:54,000
and just ask to see something and you

2499
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:56,560
are going to see something

2500
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,880
arrive in sedona

2501
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:00,639
why do why do you think that is is it

2502
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,840
the people is it the openness of

2503
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,920
of the mindset

2504
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,840
why do you think this goes on i've seen

2505
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,360
this in different parts of the country

2506
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:11,679
but sedona certainly seems to be one of

2507
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,679
these hot spots

2508
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:15,920
well you know i i forgot the name of the

2509
01:43:20,950 --> 01:43:18,159
guy that originated this but what

2510
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:20,960
they're doing is i i went after real

2511
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:23,840
ufos when i was i close up ufos and had

2512
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:24,960
many

2513
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:27,600
experiences with close-up ufos

2514
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:29,600
uh what what they're doing and i'm not

2515
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,360
i'm not criticizing them at all but what

2516
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,520
they're doing is they're going out

2517
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:35,760
and uh with uh night vision

2518
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:38,000
and the things that are are flying way

2519
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:40,080
up in the sky and they are they're

2520
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:41,600
they're taking 90 degree turns they're

2521
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:44,960
flying in formation so but i i like i

2522
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:47,040
like to get up close and personal with

2523
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:50,639
ufos and we were many many times we were

2524
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,080
within 25 or 50 or 100 yards of a

2525
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:56,480
alien spacecraft ins

2526
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:58,000
i'll tell you this story we got i guess

2527
01:44:02,149 --> 01:43:59,760
we got plenty of time

2528
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:02,159
i was uh uh i have a friend that's an

2529
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:04,560
air force colonel he just retired

2530
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,280
and he was uh

2531
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,360
uh he used to come out here and do stuff

2532
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:12,000
with me and see this stuff

2533
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:12,960
uh

2534
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:17,760
that story this one's much better

2535
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,280
uh so we uh we had six people

2536
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,440
on a tour one night

2537
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:26,000
and uh we had three movie quality

2538
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,440
cameras

2539
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:29,760
and uh it was about nine o'clock it was

2540
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,920
it was in the summer it was pretty warm

2541
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:34,080
and in the distance i noticed a blue

2542
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:35,280
light

2543
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:38,080
uh we all had good binoculars and i i

2544
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:40,000
got everybody now there were six people

2545
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:42,159
including me six people six witnesses so

2546
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:43,920
it's not something i made i'm not making

2547
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:46,639
this up and they will

2548
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:48,639
they said if you need to uh i would i

2549
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:51,119
would testify i'll back you up on this

2550
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,800
so anyway

2551
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:54,800
we uh

2552
01:45:02,229 --> 01:44:59,440
it was very strange it was kind of a

2553
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,239
electric blue light and we looked closer

2554
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,639
and it was an alien spacecraft damaged

2555
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,199
alien spacecraft on the ground had been

2556
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:09,600
hit it was damaged at five o'clock and

2557
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,280
they were trying to they were repairing

2558
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:13,840
it we could see that after a while

2559
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,600
and that none of the cameras would work

2560
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:17,440
that's pretty typical none of the

2561
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:18,960
cameras were filmed this thing and the

2562
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:21,600
one the movie quality one was was had a

2563
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,239
zoom on it it was more than adequate to

2564
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:26,159
to to uh

2565
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:28,800
uh film this craft and in the craft was

2566
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:30,159
maybe

2567
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:31,840
i'll say

2568
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:33,040
oh

2569
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:35,040
close to a quarter of a mile away from

2570
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,560
us

2571
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:38,320
and you could clearly see what they were

2572
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:41,520
doing it was about a a 90-foot disk

2573
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,840
it had been hit

2574
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:44,480
uh

2575
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,880
but at five o'clock

2576
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:48,800
i've been i'm guessing it was a missile

2577
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:50,880
it was hit by a it was fired out and hit

2578
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:52,080
by a missile

2579
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:54,880
so my my friend i have high ranking

2580
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:56,639
friends

2581
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,960
much more then than i do now but my air

2582
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,360
force colonel friend i said well what do

2583
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,520
you think you know this thing

2584
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:05,440
if that was one of ours

2585
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:06,800
it would be surrounded by attack

2586
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,880
helicopters right but there was nothing

2587
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:10,960
around it and he said oh yeah it would

2588
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,199
be there'd be attack helicopters all

2589
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:15,360
around and guys on the ground you know

2590
01:46:18,390 --> 01:46:16,960
soldiers on the ground with machine guns

2591
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:18,400
and jeeps or whatever

2592
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:20,480
so he said oh no that's he and he said

2593
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:22,239
this in the air force colonel he said no

2594
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,199
that's that's definitely alien

2595
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:28,400
we we but about a quarter mile away and

2596
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:31,679
it's 90 feet uh in diameter 100 feet in

2597
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:33,040
diameter

2598
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:35,840
that you are close yeah a quarter mile

2599
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:38,560
is nothing so you can see everything

2600
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:41,760
clearly what is going on yeah so yeah we

2601
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,000
could yeah and now can you describe uh

2602
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:48,880
who was working on the craft

2603
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:51,520
no that's what's really interesting

2604
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:53,199
there were things flying around it there

2605
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:54,880
were lights it was it would just look

2606
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,719
just like workmen was with uh spotlights

2607
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:00,880
you know walking around this thing but

2608
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,719
there was nobody holding the lights they

2609
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:05,040
were the lights were doing the repairing

2610
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:09,119
wow yeah so so so anyway my my uh there

2611
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:11,360
was a blue light about 12

2612
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:13,679
i'd say 30 yards it was big it was

2613
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,159
probably five or six feet across

2614
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:18,880
and then another blue light came up uh

2615
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:21,119
to the other end of the ship

2616
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:24,480
and uh it was so it was phenomenal and

2617
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:26,400
we had three cameras they wouldn't film

2618
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:28,239
that's typical it you know always

2619
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:29,840
happens so

2620
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:32,400
my friend uh uh

2621
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:34,400
jim

2622
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:36,000
just got a new girlfriend so he wanted

2623
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:37,360
to impress his girlfriend so he wanted

2624
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:38,800
to go down there and get real close to

2625
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,360
it we all thought no no don't no you

2626
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:44,159
don't do it don't do it do it so

2627
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:46,000
he jumped in his uh he had a four-wheel

2628
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:48,000
drive and he went down

2629
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:49,119
and now

2630
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:50,960
we watched him turn off the road he

2631
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:53,840
found a way to get off and go towards it

2632
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:56,080
and he got so close to it

2633
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:58,719
uh when when when an alien spacecraft

2634
01:48:02,229 --> 01:48:00,560
starts to when they pulse that means

2635
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:02,239
they're getting ready to shoot

2636
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,719
i've seen it many times so anyway so

2637
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:06,800
he's driving along and his high beams we

2638
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:09,119
could see his high beams on this thing

2639
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,280
and he said later it was 90 about 90

2640
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:13,280
feet across and it had red lights all

2641
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:14,560
around it

2642
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:17,119
and uh it was uh uh so his girlfriend

2643
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,480
said you can let me out right here

2644
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,480
because i'm not going one inch closer to

2645
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:22,639
that thing so then he turned around and

2646
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:24,000
came back

2647
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:26,719
but we all saw it we we uh six witnesses

2648
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:28,080
and uh

2649
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:30,480
my experience is because i i've i've hit

2650
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:33,440
him often with a powerful green laser

2651
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:35,360
and and often they'll they'll start to

2652
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,560
pulse

2653
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:39,040
and i think the green laser it's a it's

2654
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,080
a beam

2655
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:42,480
and and they're they're their

2656
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:43,840
equipment things that they're being

2657
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,960
fired at

2658
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:46,800
so they start to react to a green laser

2659
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:48,400
i mean this is a powerful green laser

2660
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,679
that i've got i'd love to have a blue

2661
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,679
one but i couldn't afford it

2662
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,600
so uh

2663
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:55,440
i mean this has happened probably 25

2664
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:56,320
times

2665
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:00,239
it's blue why why would i because i have

2666
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:03,040
one of those military blue lasers right

2667
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,080
it's like you know this big around

2668
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:08,880
yeah um blue is better than green i can

2669
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:10,960
change the colors i can go

2670
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:15,119
uh red yellow blue and green

2671
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:17,440
i like the way the blue looks that's why

2672
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:21,040
i use the blue wicket but um is why is

2673
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,639
blue better

2674
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:24,960
well the one i wanted to buy was four

2675
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:27,599
thousand dollars it's a hundred times

2676
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:29,199
more powerful than what i've got mine's

2677
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:30,960
at uh

2678
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:33,199
ten ten thousand something or other

2679
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,199
whatever i i like you know like i i

2680
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:37,520
don't know but it's extremely powerful a

2681
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:40,000
very powerful green laser

2682
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,960
and uh oh it's many many many times more

2683
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:44,639
powerful than the one i used to the ones

2684
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:47,599
i used to use right and uh it'll they'll

2685
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,320
stop every time you hit you hit a ufo i

2686
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,520
mean i'm not just you know i'm not

2687
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:53,679
blowing smoke i've had witnesses

2688
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:55,599
that have watched me do this

2689
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:56,960
and i've uh

2690
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:58,000
uh

2691
01:50:01,510 --> 01:50:00,000
they'll still stop them every time

2692
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:01,520
they're flying along

2693
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,280
and a lot of times you know that they're

2694
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,159
they're a huge dip a sphere a white

2695
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:08,320
sphere in this the sphere orange or

2696
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:10,800
white or whatever it is is is their

2697
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,119
power when their power systems are

2698
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:15,440
are fired up they're surrounded by this

2699
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:18,320
this this field is green or well some of

2700
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,719
them are green orange or white and when

2701
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:23,360
that disappears there's a disc there

2702
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:25,520
so uh i i

2703
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:26,719
i i

2704
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,239
i was out one night and again i have

2705
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:30,080
witnesses of this

2706
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:31,840
there was one coming right over us and i

2707
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:33,599
hit it with a green laser

2708
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:36,560
in it and it lit up as bright as the sun

2709
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:38,719
it lit up everything just like the sun

2710
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:40,480
and the women they were all women on my

2711
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:42,320
tour and they were screaming i i said

2712
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:43,840
many times it would have been awesome

2713
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:46,080
footage is somebody been behind me with

2714
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:48,800
it with a movie camera watching

2715
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:52,400
watching this uh this uh disc light up

2716
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,920
as bright as the sun when i hit it with

2717
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,840
a laser

2718
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:57,520
i was watching

2719
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,199
uh speaking of lasers so i'm out uh i've

2720
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:03,760
got a hundred people with me

2721
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:06,719
and uh and we're looking at this it's

2722
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:09,199
pretty famous uh encounter now

2723
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:09,920
i

2724
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,400
um but but anyway

2725
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:34,639
this is what was interesting uh there

2726
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:37,199
was three or four people that had those

2727
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:39,920
military-grade lasers right the the ones

2728
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,159
that we're talking about yeah and and

2729
01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:44,800
i'm looking at it uh with the binoculars

2730
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:47,280
and i had night vision too i had both

2731
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:49,920
and and i'm looking at it uh with the

2732
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:52,400
binoculars and i'm looking at it up

2733
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:54,880
close and it's it's going to credit it's

2734
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:56,560
going across the ground before it turned

2735
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:00,639
up and as the lasers hit it

2736
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:03,599
it wasn't a ball of light because the

2737
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:06,080
lasers would bounce off of it and

2738
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:07,599
sparkle

2739
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:10,639
right and so it was a solid object

2740
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:12,880
or it was like what you're describing

2741
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:15,760
here right maybe it was surrounded by a

2742
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,239
green light but there was a craft on the

2743
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:20,800
inside of it but no matter what

2744
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:23,520
when the lasers would bounce off of it i

2745
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,239
could see it like like like

2746
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:31,510
uh well you know i had i had if you if

2747
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:32,800
you can imagine

2748
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:33,920
chrome

2749
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:35,199
light

2750
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:38,320
i've never seen it before or after two

2751
01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:41,520
of these things uh uh flew in formation

2752
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:43,119
over maroon mountain which was about

2753
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,000
three miles from me up by dry

2754
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:48,880
dry creek road in sedona they skimmed

2755
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:50,719
they skimmed over the maroon mountain

2756
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:53,679
and came in formation and stopped right

2757
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:56,239
in front of me and they were chrome

2758
01:53:01,030 --> 01:52:57,440
light

2759
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:01,040
and just absolutely incredible to see

2760
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:04,159
and i i uh that back then cameras you

2761
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:06,159
couldn't but they didn't have a camera

2762
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:08,080
they could film i mean they did you know

2763
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,840
it was a hundred thousand dollars

2764
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:11,360
studios had them

2765
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:12,719
uh

2766
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,800
i i i'm just feel fortunate that i

2767
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:19,440
actually saw something like that chrome

2768
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:21,440
huge uh maybe

2769
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:25,440
10 feet across chrome light

2770
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:28,400
just incredible now for me uh and

2771
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:30,560
somebody like me that's going to sedona

2772
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:32,320
for the first time

2773
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:33,199
uh

2774
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:39,669
oh i tell everybody on forest road 525

2775
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,840
anywhere out there and look look towards

2776
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:43,280
mingus mountain

2777
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:49,119
yeah 525 go out it goes it goes all the

2778
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:51,440
way up to sycamore pass

2779
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:52,320
and

2780
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,000
by the way sycamore canyon's one of the

2781
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:56,480
strangest places on this planet it's 33

2782
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:57,760
miles long

2783
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:00,239
beautiful a lot for a lot of time a long

2784
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:01,920
time i wouldn't go in there

2785
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,960
but sycamore canyon is uh actually i'll

2786
01:54:09,189 --> 01:54:06,320
read you something we have plenty of

2787
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:09,199
time sure but it happened that happened

2788
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,880
there just recently

2789
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:12,560
and this is this is this is this is a

2790
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:14,159
mind blower because there have been

2791
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:17,360
about 35 machine gun incidences in this

2792
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:18,719
area

2793
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:19,599
uh

2794
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:22,080
not recently 20 years ago most of this

2795
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,760
was happening but this one happened ten

2796
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:24,880
years ago

2797
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:27,440
so so uh they were they were they were

2798
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:29,199
military uniforms

2799
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:30,960
but no insignia on them they're american

2800
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,960
military uniforms but there was no

2801
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:34,560
insignia and they would they they would

2802
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:36,960
say you can't go any further hikers or

2803
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,360
whatever motorbike riders because there

2804
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:41,360
are there it's a closed area there's

2805
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:44,159
military exercises are going on there so

2806
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,840
you can't go any further

2807
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,520
and one guy said no this is public

2808
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:49,440
property this is a public trail i'm

2809
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:51,840
going i'm going i know i know the guy's

2810
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:53,920
name his name is light

2811
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:56,400
and uh he said oh no this is a public

2812
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:57,760
this is a public property this is a

2813
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,719
national forest this is a public trail

2814
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:02,400
and he said i'm going that way which is

2815
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,080
behind those guys so the guy stuck an

2816
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:06,639
m16 in his face and he said you take one

2817
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:08,560
more step and i'll pull the trigger

2818
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:10,000
that's how that's how serious these

2819
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:12,639
things were what what were they guarding

2820
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,000
you know i'd like to know what the hell

2821
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:16,960
they had out there and i don't know

2822
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:19,280
the most the most the most stunning

2823
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:21,520
stuff was in secret canyon and i asked

2824
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:24,000
bob bradshaw how did secret canyon ever

2825
01:55:26,709 --> 01:55:25,199
get the name

2826
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:26,719
secret canyon

2827
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:29,360
and bob got here in 1949 and he says you

2828
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:32,560
know i asked around and nobody knows so

2829
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:35,520
secret canyons is real you know there's

2830
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,520
something strange about it

2831
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:39,920
uh in the first the first ufo uh

2832
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:42,320
incident around here happened in 1922 to

2833
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:43,840
two cowboys

2834
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:46,719
in secret canyon a a disc that roared

2835
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:48,000
like a freight train they thought it was

2836
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:50,560
a freight train came off the rim and

2837
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,960
came down in front of them and that was

2838
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:54,480
that was the last they remember so they

2839
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:55,840
were probably

2840
01:56:05,350 --> 01:55:58,719
some of the first abductees

2841
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:05,360
around here uh cowboys 1922. 1922

2842
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:09,760
there was nothing in the skies in 1922.

2843
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:12,639
not even smog or chemtrails yeah yeah

2844
01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:16,560
1922. um and uh and we'll continue this

2845
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:19,119
conversation after the break tom but

2846
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,360
but what about uh

2847
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:23,360
sightings of

2848
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:25,679
of e.t

2849
01:56:30,870 --> 01:56:28,000
and and descriptions of that is there

2850
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:30,880
that is their contact of of the third

2851
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:32,719
kind

2852
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:34,400
uh you know

2853
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,520
not that i know of it well it you know

2854
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:39,520
lots of ufo stuff

2855
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:40,320
much

2856
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,920
e.t face-to-face

2857
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:47,199
uh

2858
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:49,040
nothing that i know of around here

2859
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:50,960
except sycamore canyon the stuff that

2860
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:53,199
has happened in sycamore canyon is

2861
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:56,320
creepy it's it's really scary uh so

2862
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,920
that's why i i

2863
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:59,280
if you get a break i'll tell you after

2864
01:57:02,709 --> 01:57:01,360
the break one of the things i know okay

2865
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,719
we'll talk about that after the break i

2866
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:04,400
wanted to ask you about the orbs really

2867
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:07,360
quick uh before i forget about this

2868
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:10,000
um when uh when you were out there

2869
01:57:14,990 --> 01:57:11,760
without linda

2870
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:15,000
uh were the orbs

2871
01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:16,800
three-dimensional

2872
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:19,040
yes they were so they were spherical

2873
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:20,560
they were 3d

2874
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:22,639
yeah and incidentally every once in a

2875
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:25,040
while one would materialize

2876
01:57:28,390 --> 01:57:26,800
that was a mind blower

2877
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:28,400
but let's talk about that because i've

2878
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:31,199
had my own experiences and i just want

2879
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:32,960
to hear this from you when it

2880
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:35,360
materialized how did that happen what

2881
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:37,440
did you see well they just blink on i'll

2882
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:39,199
tell you a quick story how much time we

2883
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:41,599
got before we got three minutes okay

2884
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:44,880
there was a a woman uh i had a tour one

2885
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:47,199
one night and and uh we could feel these

2886
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:48,880
things around us and they they

2887
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:51,199
materialized and they were flying i had

2888
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:52,560
about eight people on the tour and they

2889
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:54,000
were flying around us we were having a

2890
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:56,080
great time you know the guys me and the

2891
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:57,679
guys we have lots of fun with these

2892
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:59,040
things flying around us they were pretty

2893
01:58:01,589 --> 01:57:59,920
big

2894
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:01,599
about like a basketball

2895
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:03,520
but the women

2896
01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:05,360
uh freaked them out started they were

2897
01:58:09,510 --> 01:58:06,960
screaming and they and they they they

2898
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:09,520
all said we're out of here right now

2899
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:11,599
so that's that's the case when where the

2900
01:58:14,470 --> 01:58:13,199
orbs materialize but they weren't

2901
01:58:17,669 --> 01:58:14,480
bothering us they were just flying

2902
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:17,679
around you know no no no harm whatsoever

2903
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:19,679
it sounds like fairies

2904
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:20,400
yeah

2905
01:58:27,589 --> 01:58:24,960
the way okay

2906
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:27,599
i'm secure in saying fairies um i wanted

2907
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:30,719
to ask you did you ever encounter

2908
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:33,760
an orb that was 2d

2909
01:58:39,030 --> 01:58:37,679
round but flat like a coin yep many

2910
01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:39,040
really

2911
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,000
yeah and and and did they materialize in

2912
01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:44,320
front of you right now the camera got

2913
01:58:49,189 --> 01:58:47,199
them i i have i have my my my album

2914
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:49,199
right here it was the only person that

2915
01:58:54,229 --> 01:58:52,080
had a bigger album than me was art bell

2916
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:54,239
at that time right it was it was one of

2917
01:58:57,750 --> 01:58:56,000
the world's best and it's i've got about

2918
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:57,760
a hundred of those photographs he was

2919
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:59,440
talking about now why

2920
01:59:05,189 --> 01:59:00,639
why

2921
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:05,199
what makes a 2d orb 2d

2922
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:06,639
well you know

2923
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:09,119
there are rare instances where they well

2924
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,880
i'll tell you a quick story

2925
01:59:13,910 --> 01:59:12,000
uh

2926
01:59:16,629 --> 01:59:13,920
this was a guy who's on my 12 night he

2927
01:59:18,629 --> 01:59:16,639
was a total uh skeptic right so he

2928
01:59:20,550 --> 01:59:18,639
walked around for hours throwing dust in

2929
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:20,560
the air trying to prove that orbs were

2930
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:21,520
dust

2931
01:59:25,109 --> 01:59:23,440
and he came back his camera was full of

2932
01:59:30,149 --> 01:59:25,119
dust he was covered with dust and he

2933
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:32,870
what happened to okay uh i'll share this

2934
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:34,719
i got one minute before the break

2935
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:39,040
is i saw this uh and i was with about

2936
01:59:44,310 --> 01:59:41,760
i'm gonna say 75 people right we're out

2937
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:44,320
doing the sky watch and the sky watch is

2938
01:59:48,550 --> 01:59:46,000
winding down and we're sitting in lawn

2939
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:48,560
chairs and we're looking at this field

2940
01:59:53,430 --> 01:59:51,280
and i'm just kind of spacing out tom

2941
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:53,440
and uh you know how it is right midnight

2942
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:55,440
or whatever 11 o'clock and i see this

2943
01:59:59,669 --> 01:59:57,280
thing come out from behind the trees

2944
02:00:01,669 --> 01:59:59,679
it's about a hundred yards away maybe

2945
02:00:02,790 --> 02:00:01,679
200 yards away in the black in the

2946
02:00:07,109 --> 02:00:02,800
darkness

2947
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:07,119
and it's gray and it sweeps down

2948
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:08,960
and it's in front of us and this thing

2949
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:11,360
is like 40 feet tall

2950
02:00:15,270 --> 02:00:13,920
yeah but it was flat

2951
02:00:18,070 --> 02:00:15,280
it was flat

2952
02:00:21,030 --> 02:00:18,080
like a giant half dollar

2953
02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:21,040
right or silver dollar and that's it

2954
02:00:25,270 --> 02:00:23,440
i've seen them 50 feet across yeah and

2955
02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:25,280
i'm sitting there looking at it and this

2956
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:27,199
lady behind me

2957
02:00:30,550 --> 02:00:29,040
and i'm just i'm not saying anything i'm

2958
02:00:33,189 --> 02:00:30,560
just looking at it and this lady behind

2959
02:00:35,030 --> 02:00:33,199
me goes is anybody looking at that gray

2960
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:35,040
orb out there and i turned around to

2961
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:36,639
hurt i said do you mean this crap is

2962
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:37,920
real

2963
02:00:42,550 --> 02:00:40,400
oh man what and i could hear everybody

2964
02:00:44,310 --> 02:00:42,560
else talking about it in the darkness

2965
02:00:46,070 --> 02:00:44,320
right to my left

2966
02:00:49,109 --> 02:00:46,080
and i couldn't believe what i was seeing

2967
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,119
i i just i i still to this day i i don't

2968
02:00:54,550 --> 02:00:51,599
have an explanation for it i i don't and

2969
02:00:58,229 --> 02:00:54,560
it wasn't round you know it was flat

2970
02:01:01,589 --> 02:00:59,189
yeah

2971
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:01,599
tom is writing tom is writing let's take

2972
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:03,760
our break right here this is fade to

2973
02:01:08,629 --> 02:01:06,000
black i guess tonight tom dongo

2974
02:01:10,070 --> 02:01:08,639
and he said hold the phone jimmy i've

2975
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:10,080
got something for you right after the

2976
02:01:14,470 --> 02:01:12,880
break about sycamore canyon we'll talk

2977
02:01:15,790 --> 02:01:14,480
about that when we come back this is

2978
02:01:19,690 --> 02:01:15,800
fade to black

2979
02:01:20,850 --> 02:01:19,700
[Music]

2980
02:01:23,430 --> 02:01:20,860
[Applause]

2981
02:01:24,870 --> 02:01:23,440
[Music]

2982
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:24,880
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welcome back fate to black how many

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knows jimmy church tonight tom dongo

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here for the first time

3085
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first time guest week here on fade to

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you know a couple of thousand shows i

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first time guest and it's been a great

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conversation tonight tom and you said

3091
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:51,119
right before the break uh

3092
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:54,880
sycamore canyon is the strange stuff

3093
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:57,360
and you know coming from you

3094
02:07:02,629 --> 02:06:59,760
that uh that grabs my attention uh

3095
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,639
what's so special about sycamore canyon

3096
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well i'm gonna i'll read something to

3097
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:06,239
you that was given to me about something

3098
02:07:10,229 --> 02:07:08,639
that this had just happened there so but

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any at any rate

3100
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:13,440
uh sycamore canyon is uh it's it's uh

3101
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:15,760
it's too freaky even for me

3102
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:17,199
there's there's stuff that's happened

3103
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,480
there uh you know like like uh flashes

3104
02:07:25,910 --> 02:07:22,639
of of uh uh

3105
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:25,920
uh violet light huge flashes of like uh

3106
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like us uh you know like a a

3107
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hollywood uh

3108
02:07:35,109 --> 02:07:32,960
purple light coming out of uh uh

3109
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:35,119
sycamore canyon and strange things oh

3110
02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:36,719
and actually

3111
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:38,079
uh i

3112
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:41,280
you know i got so i got so uh

3113
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:44,239
tired of seeing ufos i've seen so many

3114
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:45,679
i tell people i don't want to see

3115
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:47,679
anymore i've seen enough and i tell

3116
02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:49,360
audiences that they think i'm crazy well

3117
02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:50,719
i've never seen one well i've seen so

3118
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:52,320
many i don't want to see anymore right

3119
02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:57,119
so so i i uh i i i was uh

3120
02:08:00,149 --> 02:07:58,639
uh and this only this only happened

3121
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:00,159
about a year ago

3122
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:03,760
i i was uh i was uh coming out of my my

3123
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:07,199
apartment in cottonwood and i i went out

3124
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:09,119
i went out to the road

3125
02:08:13,430 --> 02:08:10,960
and there was this thing coming down out

3126
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:13,440
of the sky it was white hot it was going

3127
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,320
about 50 000 miles an hour and it was in

3128
02:08:20,830 --> 02:08:18,239
view of 10 000 people there should have

3129
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:20,840
been everybody on on

3130
02:08:25,990 --> 02:08:24,000
uh the highway the four-lane highway

3131
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:26,000
should have seen it they they could have

3132
02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:27,199
seen it

3133
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:30,560
uh and and uh uh so this i'm watching

3134
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:32,239
this thing come down and it slowed it

3135
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:34,079
started slowing down

3136
02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:37,119
and it got slower and slower and slower

3137
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:39,040
and it was going maybe 20 or 30 miles an

3138
02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:41,119
hour and it landed in sycamore canyon

3139
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:42,880
this was a year ago i guess i could see

3140
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:44,239
it because you see it going behind the

3141
02:08:49,109 --> 02:08:46,560
trees and i knew sycamore canyon was

3142
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,119
right there so it landed and this is

3143
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:51,599
just typical of stuff that happens there

3144
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:53,280
so so uh

3145
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,880
you know and i've heard stories that i

3146
02:08:58,149 --> 02:08:56,560
haven't seen these these things that

3147
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:58,159
they've other people have seen coming

3148
02:09:02,310 --> 02:08:59,520
out of sycamore

3149
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:02,320
but you know the sycamore

3150
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:03,360
uh

3151
02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:06,159
the the the basque sheepherders used to

3152
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:08,159
heard the sheep through sycamore canyon

3153
02:09:12,790 --> 02:09:10,159
to flagstaff

3154
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,800
and uh uh and and run their horses it

3155
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,880
would uh they'd start from about

3156
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:16,560
clarkdale and go all the way to

3157
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:18,639
flagstaff was an easy route

3158
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:20,560
but the horses got snake bit by

3159
02:09:24,229 --> 02:09:22,000
rattlesnakes so much they started

3160
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:24,239
running they built a new row a trail for

3161
02:09:27,510 --> 02:09:25,520
the horses

3162
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:27,520
and the basque sheepherders stopped

3163
02:09:32,229 --> 02:09:28,880
running their sheep through there

3164
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:32,239
because the giant hairy men were killing

3165
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:34,480
and eating too many of their sheep

3166
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:36,880
giant hairy men

3167
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:38,560
and that's the reason the basque sheep

3168
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:41,199
are to stop running uh their their sheep

3169
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:42,719
through

3170
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:44,719
sycamore canyon

3171
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:48,480
so anyway this one story uh in uh uh uh

3172
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:50,719
it was one of the first stories

3173
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:53,280
i i ran into around here that i wrote

3174
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:54,159
about

3175
02:09:57,270 --> 02:09:55,360
uh

3176
02:10:00,069 --> 02:09:57,280
these two guys and i talked i

3177
02:10:02,069 --> 02:10:00,079
interviewed one guy extensively they

3178
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:02,079
were going down into sycamore canyon

3179
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:03,920
from the other side they came from the

3180
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:05,920
the other side to camp down there they

3181
02:10:10,709 --> 02:10:08,239
got they got down to the bottom

3182
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:10,719
and uh

3183
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:12,800
this uh the uh on the other side of the

3184
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:14,320
canyon it was dark and it started to

3185
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:17,440
glow and a disc came out over the rim of

3186
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:20,159
the canyon and was going right in front

3187
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:22,560
of them about a hundred yards away

3188
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:25,520
and uh one one guy started flashing his

3189
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:27,119
flashlight at it like morse code you

3190
02:10:30,229 --> 02:10:28,400
know flash flash

3191
02:10:31,589 --> 02:10:30,239
and and joe said i don't think you

3192
02:10:33,750 --> 02:10:31,599
should do that

3193
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:33,760
so about two seconds later

3194
02:10:37,030 --> 02:10:35,599
joe got hit in the face by a red beam

3195
02:10:38,709 --> 02:10:37,040
that knocked him out he said it was like

3196
02:10:40,149 --> 02:10:38,719
getting kicked in the face with him by a

3197
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:40,159
mule

3198
02:10:45,589 --> 02:10:42,639
and so the next thing he knows is this

3199
02:10:47,270 --> 02:10:45,599
is a sycamore canyon about though uh 40

3200
02:10:49,189 --> 02:10:47,280
years ago

3201
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:49,199
and uh so

3202
02:10:54,149 --> 02:10:52,639
it's kind of funny in a way so he his

3203
02:10:57,030 --> 02:10:54,159
partner is trying to drag him up a

3204
02:10:58,149 --> 02:10:57,040
vertical trail going down it's about oh

3205
02:11:00,550 --> 02:10:58,159
i'd say

3206
02:11:02,069 --> 02:11:00,560
100 yards vertical to get back up to get

3207
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:02,079
out of there so he's trying to drag him

3208
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:03,760
up this trail

3209
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:05,599
joe said that's the last thing he

3210
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:07,440
remembers and then suddenly

3211
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:08,880
it's morning

3212
02:11:12,870 --> 02:11:10,159
and they're they're on top they were

3213
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:12,880
both on top of the the the rim going

3214
02:11:17,189 --> 02:11:14,480
into sycamore canyon

3215
02:11:18,950 --> 02:11:17,199
so joe goes over this he said he says uh

3216
02:11:21,510 --> 02:11:18,960
what happened last night

3217
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:21,520
what and the guy the guy said don't ever

3218
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:24,239
ask me i'm not gonna tell you never

3219
02:11:27,189 --> 02:11:25,920
bring it up again

3220
02:11:29,589 --> 02:11:27,199
so the guy

3221
02:11:32,149 --> 02:11:29,599
joe tried it again the guy got some uh

3222
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:32,159
angry with him he anyway the guy the guy

3223
02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:34,079
that had been down there moved he left

3224
02:11:38,149 --> 02:11:35,280
town

3225
02:11:41,189 --> 02:11:38,159
and uh this was i interviewed uh well

3226
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:41,199
joe right after this happened

3227
02:11:44,790 --> 02:11:42,320
and uh

3228
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:44,800
i mean there's a bunch of you know

3229
02:11:50,229 --> 02:11:48,320
bigfoot stories in sycamore canyon now i

3230
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:50,239
i want to get the lay of the land here

3231
02:11:55,189 --> 02:11:53,440
i'm going to be staying in sedona proper

3232
02:11:57,750 --> 02:11:55,199
you're in cottonwood

3233
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:57,760
which is you know west uh southwest of

3234
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:01,280
uh sedona by about what 10 miles or so

3235
02:12:06,950 --> 02:12:04,239
oh it's 21 miles yeah and uh but

3236
02:12:09,189 --> 02:12:06,960
sycamore canyon that's that's right

3237
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:09,199
there you're looking at sycamore canyon

3238
02:12:13,430 --> 02:12:10,960
from cottonwood you're looking right

3239
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:13,440
into the canyon aren't you yeah yeah you

3240
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:15,360
can uh it's it's uh

3241
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:17,199
it's uh they've improved the road so

3242
02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:18,960
it's it's a it's a it's about a half

3243
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:21,599
hour drive it's a dirt road to get to

3244
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:23,599
sycamore can it's a beautiful canyon

3245
02:12:28,149 --> 02:12:25,760
yeah it looks nice yeah there's a

3246
02:12:29,589 --> 02:12:28,159
beautiful creek there's their springs

3247
02:12:32,069 --> 02:12:29,599
they're about a thousand gallons a

3248
02:12:34,629 --> 02:12:32,079
minute they're so crystal pure you can

3249
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:34,639
drink right out of the spring wonderful

3250
02:12:39,910 --> 02:12:37,360
but it is remote so anything can go on

3251
02:12:41,589 --> 02:12:39,920
up there and and nobody would know

3252
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:41,599
unless you were looking

3253
02:12:46,390 --> 02:12:43,920
yeah well i'll let i'll read you this

3254
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:46,400
yes take me a couple of minutes

3255
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:54,870
jeremy horstmann he's a regular you know

3256
02:12:59,430 --> 02:12:57,360
him and his girlfriend are our

3257
02:13:01,430 --> 02:12:59,440
researchers around here so

3258
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:01,440
they hike a lot so they ran into this

3259
02:13:05,430 --> 02:13:03,440
guy now this is recently

3260
02:13:07,270 --> 02:13:05,440
now this is the guy's story this is what

3261
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:07,280
the guy told

3262
02:13:11,510 --> 02:13:09,920
jeremy and his girlfriend now read it

3263
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:11,520
uh

3264
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:13,599
so this is jeremy talking about this

3265
02:13:19,430 --> 02:13:16,480
he's we met a witness yesterday who was

3266
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:19,440
riding a dirt bike in the canyons he

3267
02:13:24,229 --> 02:13:21,280
gave me the location

3268
02:13:26,470 --> 02:13:24,239
which he said was six miles in i figured

3269
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:26,480
out where he was and i asked i asked

3270
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:28,320
that's got to be sycamore and jeremy

3271
02:13:35,189 --> 02:13:31,920
said yeah it is so six miles in which

3272
02:13:37,910 --> 02:13:35,199
puts it spot on in an area where others

3273
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:37,920
have had these encounters

3274
02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:40,560
it was ten years ago

3275
02:13:45,189 --> 02:13:42,880
a rifle around hit

3276
02:13:47,910 --> 02:13:45,199
nearby and believing someone had just

3277
02:13:50,870 --> 02:13:47,920
shot at him he slid down to the ground

3278
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:50,880
according to him two humvees pulled up

3279
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:53,199
and well over a dozen soldiers the guy

3280
02:13:57,270 --> 02:13:54,719
calls them soldiers they always dress

3281
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:57,280
like soldiers but there's no insignia

3282
02:14:03,270 --> 02:14:00,719
a dozen soldiers wearing tan uniforms

3283
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:03,280
with no insignia dashed out

3284
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:05,840
they all wore helmets body armor side

3285
02:14:09,510 --> 02:14:08,719
arms ar-15s

3286
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:09,520
and

3287
02:14:12,390 --> 02:14:10,800
sunglasses

3288
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:12,400
they were extraterrestrials they weren't

3289
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:13,520
human so

3290
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:15,840
the weapons were pointed at the witness

3291
02:14:21,109 --> 02:14:17,920
which was the guy in the dirt bike

3292
02:14:23,510 --> 02:14:21,119
he was ordered not to move one soldier

3293
02:14:25,910 --> 02:14:23,520
put his knee on the witness's chest

3294
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:25,920
and pointed at the muzzle of the rifle

3295
02:14:30,229 --> 02:14:28,480
inches from the subject's face

3296
02:14:32,229 --> 02:14:30,239
he shouted at the witness that he had

3297
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:32,239
come very close to being shot a moment

3298
02:14:34,470 --> 02:14:33,119
ago

3299
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:34,480
the soldier

3300
02:14:37,910 --> 02:14:36,480
demanded to know what the witness was

3301
02:14:39,990 --> 02:14:37,920
doing out there

3302
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:40,000
i know exactly where the guy was now

3303
02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:42,960
whereupon i figured it out whereupon the

3304
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:44,800
witness answered that he was just riding

3305
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:46,560
his dirt bike and didn't realize he was

3306
02:14:51,109 --> 02:14:48,159
trespassing

3307
02:14:53,189 --> 02:14:51,119
he he believed he was on blm land now

3308
02:14:54,870 --> 02:14:53,199
it's national forest he believed he was

3309
02:14:57,030 --> 02:14:54,880
on blm land

3310
02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:57,040
and it didn't occur to him that he had

3311
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:59,440
crossed into any private property

3312
02:15:02,790 --> 02:15:00,719
the soldier

3313
02:15:05,589 --> 02:15:02,800
told him that they were going to let him

3314
02:15:07,750 --> 02:15:05,599
go with two warnings first never to come

3315
02:15:09,589 --> 02:15:07,760
back to that area again

3316
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:09,599
second never to speak of the encounter

3317
02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:11,760
to anyone that's typical

3318
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:14,400
he added you think we we won't know but

3319
02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:16,560
we will know if you do

3320
02:15:20,790 --> 02:15:17,280
that

3321
02:15:24,629 --> 02:15:20,800
so

3322
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:24,639
you disappear

3323
02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:26,800
the witness needed no

3324
02:15:34,390 --> 02:15:30,960
encouragement got on his dirt bike

3325
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:34,400
and began the the steep goat path accent

3326
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:36,639
up and out of the canyon

3327
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:40,000
uh and and pause pause uh pause

3328
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:41,840
as he had some elevation and watched as

3329
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:44,480
the humvees went down into the in

3330
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:47,040
the humvees went down into the ground

3331
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:48,719
which means they disappeared into the

3332
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:50,400
ground that's that's been happening

3333
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:52,639
around here many times

3334
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:53,520
uh

3335
02:15:59,350 --> 02:15:56,560
right of the canyon wall through a

3336
02:16:01,910 --> 02:15:59,360
camouflage door the witness was shaking

3337
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:01,920
yesterday as he told me and he added

3338
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:04,480
that we were only

3339
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:05,360
uh

3340
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:07,199
the witness was shaking yesterday as he

3341
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:09,440
told me and added that we were the only

3342
02:16:13,990 --> 02:16:11,440
people he ever told about this incident

3343
02:16:16,069 --> 02:16:14,000
in the past 10 years he added that

3344
02:16:18,229 --> 02:16:16,079
their brief interaction was even more

3345
02:16:20,229 --> 02:16:18,239
strange because they seemed inhuman

3346
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:20,239
without souls

3347
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:23,040
that's typical uh you know i know about

3348
02:16:26,950 --> 02:16:24,480
35 of these

3349
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:26,960
incidents and they're all similar

3350
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:28,960
and they mostly happen in i mean this

3351
02:16:32,709 --> 02:16:30,719
doesn't happen anymore this this was 10

3352
02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:32,719
years ago and it was 20 or 30 years ago

3353
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:34,319
this stuff was happening

3354
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:36,880
commonly and i've asked i had a few

3355
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:38,880
friends that were high ranking colonels

3356
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:41,519
in the military and i i told them the

3357
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:43,040
uniforms these guys were wearing i

3358
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:45,120
described them and one of them was

3359
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:47,840
orange these guys were wearing orange

3360
02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:49,120
jumpsuits

3361
02:16:53,669 --> 02:16:51,760
and he said uh the the colonel said that

3362
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:53,679
means they were near aircraft the only

3363
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:55,760
time they ever wear orange is when

3364
02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:57,519
they're near aircraft so i thought that

3365
02:17:01,589 --> 02:16:59,840
was real and they were in a canyon where

3366
02:17:03,110 --> 02:17:01,599
couldn't possibly be aircraft any

3367
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:03,120
aircraft but that's what the colonel

3368
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:04,719
said

3369
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:08,080
now why would they have warned uh the

3370
02:17:11,509 --> 02:17:09,679
dirt biker

3371
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:11,519
uh not to come back

3372
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:17,589
you know i don't know but i'll tell you

3373
02:17:20,389 --> 02:17:19,200
another story that's similar these are

3374
02:17:21,830 --> 02:17:20,399
two women

3375
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:21,840
they were they were they were coming

3376
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:23,120
from cottonwood they were going towards

3377
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:25,920
sedona and i actually tracked one of

3378
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:27,040
them down

3379
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:29,359
most of the stories i i i i've had to

3380
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:31,439
use with second or third witness uh i

3381
02:17:35,830 --> 02:17:34,240
you know second or third person right i

3382
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:35,840
actually found one of the women so they

3383
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:37,439
were they were going towards

3384
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:41,120
sedona this was about 20 years ago

3385
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:45,120
they saw stadium lights off uh on uh a

3386
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:48,800
forest road uh i think yeah 525

3387
02:17:53,349 --> 02:17:50,240
and uh they thought well shoot there

3388
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:53,359
must be a movie going on out there or a

3389
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:55,280
rock show or something so they they

3390
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:58,479
pulled off on five on 525

3391
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:00,639
and they came to a gate across the of

3392
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:02,960
the road you know it's a it's a heavily

3393
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:04,000
care

3394
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:05,439
trafficked road

3395
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:06,240
so

3396
02:18:10,070 --> 02:18:07,599
there was nobody there but there was a

3397
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:10,080
gate so they got out with the gate alone

3398
02:18:14,309 --> 02:18:12,000
is crazy so they got out and walked

3399
02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:14,319
towards the light and they said it was

3400
02:18:19,990 --> 02:18:16,960
it was creepy weird there were there

3401
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:20,000
were white tractor-trailer trucks

3402
02:18:24,230 --> 02:18:22,000
driving into the ground

3403
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:24,240
the the both women said the the ground

3404
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:26,479
opened up like and they said what was

3405
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:29,200
even stranger was that what where the

3406
02:18:32,549 --> 02:18:30,639
ground opened up

3407
02:18:34,309 --> 02:18:32,559
the the the weirdness of the ground it

3408
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:34,319
was probably

3409
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:36,960
uh you know a camouflaged uh

3410
02:18:41,750 --> 02:18:40,399
a hologram holographic thing so

3411
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:41,760
these white

3412
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:42,559
uh

3413
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:47,280
them drove down this ramp into the

3414
02:18:50,830 --> 02:18:49,359
ground and disappeared so they figured

3415
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:50,840
they better beat it out of there real

3416
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:53,359
fast and they did

3417
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:54,639
so and i know they were telling the

3418
02:18:58,549 --> 02:18:56,880
truth by the way the woman i mean you

3419
02:19:01,910 --> 02:18:58,559
can tell if somebody's lying making it

3420
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:01,920
up i've interviewed so many people sure

3421
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:04,399
have you have you i don't know if you

3422
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:06,479
would disclose it on the show but have

3423
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:07,679
you

3424
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:16,549
uh

3425
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:18,800
no no but i could

3426
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:21,359
you know i've i've people that have

3427
02:19:27,110 --> 02:19:23,679
tried to find those ended up in some

3428
02:19:30,469 --> 02:19:27,120
kind of a bad situation so i don't try

3429
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:32,790
so yeah so i don't but secret canyons

3430
02:19:36,309 --> 02:19:35,120
there was a time when when uh a secret

3431
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:36,319
canyon

3432
02:19:39,429 --> 02:19:37,599
there was a guy

3433
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:39,439
and i didn't i couldn't i couldn't

3434
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:41,200
interview him because he was gone but

3435
02:19:46,150 --> 02:19:43,519
his roommate i tried i got his tractor's

3436
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:46,160
roommate down and sycamore canyon

3437
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:49,600
were constant strange things like uh one

3438
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:51,439
guy said i saw a crashed

3439
02:19:56,630 --> 02:19:53,280
disc out there it was it was like

3440
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:56,640
roswell it was embedded in the ground

3441
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:58,720
and uh you know stuff like that this guy

3442
02:20:02,389 --> 02:20:00,319
was just just driving around out there

3443
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:02,399
you know and just a common everyday guy

3444
02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:04,960
you know and so but anyway this guy the

3445
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:07,760
forest service put a guy to guard people

3446
02:20:12,270 --> 02:20:09,840
to keep him out of sycamore canyon this

3447
02:20:16,870 --> 02:20:12,280
was about the

3448
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:16,880
1980 probably 1990 and uh so he got sick

3449
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:19,280
of keeping trying to keep hikers out of

3450
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:22,240
sycamore can't uh see secret canyon

3451
02:20:26,150 --> 02:20:24,640
so he he said screw it i'm gonna go in

3452
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:26,160
there and see what's in there that that

3453
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:29,520
they're so worried about so he he uh

3454
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,439
he went into secret canyon

3455
02:20:37,190 --> 02:20:33,920
and and ran straight into a nine foot

3456
02:20:38,469 --> 02:20:37,200
tall extraterrestrial a grey

3457
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:38,479
he went around a rock and was just

3458
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:40,240
standing there looking at him so he ran

3459
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:42,080
out of the canyon and went to a

3460
02:20:45,910 --> 02:20:43,840
supervisor and i won't i won't say what

3461
02:20:46,950 --> 02:20:45,920
he told his supervisor he was really not

3462
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:46,960
you know

3463
02:20:52,150 --> 02:20:50,640
not too happy so so uh uh the the uh

3464
02:20:54,309 --> 02:20:52,160
he said he wanted to know what was going

3465
02:20:55,910 --> 02:20:54,319
on in there you know and so anyway the

3466
02:20:58,150 --> 02:20:55,920
guy disappeared about two weeks later

3467
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:58,160
he's never been seen again now where is

3468
02:21:02,870 --> 02:21:00,399
secret canyon in relation to sycamore

3469
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:02,880
canyon uh well you know that all the

3470
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:05,680
canyons are like a half a wagon wheel

3471
02:21:10,469 --> 02:21:08,160
the the the wagon wheel in the center

3472
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:10,479
would be secret mountain and so all the

3473
02:21:15,110 --> 02:21:12,399
canyons uh uh

3474
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:15,120
secret canyon is six and a half miles in

3475
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:16,880
and uh they're all it's not all like a

3476
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:20,560
half a wagon wheel oh like the canyons

3477
02:21:24,309 --> 02:21:22,800
i'm looking at it here

3478
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:24,319
um i i don't know if i'm gonna have the

3479
02:21:28,309 --> 02:21:26,560
time to go check out seeker canyon no

3480
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:28,319
but yeah it's not worth it it's such a

3481
02:21:32,870 --> 02:21:31,439
long hike and it's not worth it um

3482
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:32,880
here is uh

3483
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:35,120
uh you know probably the most important

3484
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:37,680
question of the night i think that

3485
02:21:44,150 --> 02:21:41,200
uh myself included that this community

3486
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:44,160
of ours feels like we are right on the

3487
02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:45,359
brink of

3488
02:21:51,349 --> 02:21:48,800
of real disclosure how whatever form

3489
02:21:53,590 --> 02:21:51,359
that is going to take

3490
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:53,600
do you feel the same way are we are we

3491
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:55,439
on the brink of something about to break

3492
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:57,920
open okay i'm gonna tell you something

3493
02:22:01,590 --> 02:22:00,399
right now i was gonna i have some people

3494
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:01,600
waiting

3495
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:03,040
and uh

3496
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:04,960
my my friend annie

3497
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:06,319
hi annie

3498
02:22:12,389 --> 02:22:10,560
so anyway she's uh uh uh uh been waiting

3499
02:22:13,830 --> 02:22:12,399
for me to tell this story i said i'd say

3500
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,840
it at the beginning but now now listen

3501
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,840
to this and this is a jimmy church

3502
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:18,319
exclusive okay now

3503
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:20,479
this is uh and i'm not gonna use any

3504
02:22:24,309 --> 02:22:21,840
names

3505
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:24,319
now this guy i know him i i've talked to

3506
02:22:27,510 --> 02:22:25,760
him on the phone

3507
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:27,520
and uh

3508
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:28,399
uh

3509
02:22:30,950 --> 02:22:30,000
i've never i've never met him face to

3510
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:30,960
face

3511
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:33,600
but i know about him his credentials and

3512
02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:36,960
integrity are impeccable i i will

3513
02:22:40,790 --> 02:22:39,359
personally vouch for this guy a hundred

3514
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,800
percent

3515
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:42,720
but he's been in contact with with

3516
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:45,920
priyara and extraterrestrials for months

3517
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:48,399
and and uh he's uh

3518
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:49,600
that's actually i'm going to say it i

3519
02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:51,520
know a lot more but that's actually all

3520
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:53,200
i'm going to say about it

3521
02:22:55,110 --> 02:22:54,080
uh

3522
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:55,120
so

3523
02:23:00,469 --> 02:22:57,520
it's going to be interesting

3524
02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:00,479
to uh uh uh

3525
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:03,040
i'm reading my notes

3526
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:04,160
oh

3527
02:23:07,270 --> 02:23:05,520
so anyway that's all i'm going to say

3528
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:07,280
about it but this this is a developing

3529
02:23:10,309 --> 02:23:09,040
thing it's been going on for months

3530
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:10,319
plearance

3531
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:12,479
and they said to him we are not

3532
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:15,200
pleiadians we are pleiarans in the

3533
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:16,960
beginning

3534
02:23:22,710 --> 02:23:19,760
and but uh

3535
02:23:24,309 --> 02:23:22,720
what what are they suggesting tom well

3536
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:24,319
that's what i want to know i want to

3537
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:25,920
know what they've been telling him he's

3538
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:28,160
he's just finished a book

3539
02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:30,319
and he's he's included in

3540
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:33,920
included in the book uh so i'm i'm i'm

3541
02:23:38,230 --> 02:23:36,720
just i'm i'm keeping hands off of it

3542
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,240
until

3543
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:40,319
uh they're more ready to talk about but

3544
02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:43,040
like i say i this guy's this guy's

3545
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:45,520
credentials and integrity are impeccable

3546
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:48,399
because i know who he is who he was

3547
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:50,800
uh and uh and you would too if you knew

3548
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:52,880
who he was and you know

3549
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:54,399
down the road maybe if you want to talk

3550
02:23:57,910 --> 02:23:56,720
to him or something but it's incredible

3551
02:24:01,590 --> 02:23:57,920
it's true

3552
02:24:03,270 --> 02:24:01,600
so is this something that uh

3553
02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:03,280
that you feel you can just give me your

3554
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:05,040
opinion um

3555
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:05,760
but

3556
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:07,840
is this something that is going to

3557
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:11,359
develop this year in 2022 what's going

3558
02:24:15,349 --> 02:24:12,800
on right now it's been going on for

3559
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:15,359
months right right it's a it's a it's

3560
02:24:20,710 --> 02:24:17,760
it's a billy meyer kind of thing

3561
02:24:22,469 --> 02:24:20,720
so so and he's uh he really doesn't want

3562
02:24:23,990 --> 02:24:22,479
i i know specifics and i mean of course

3563
02:24:26,389 --> 02:24:24,000
natalie i'm not going to talk about it

3564
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:26,399
sure but it's it's something this could

3565
02:24:31,190 --> 02:24:28,479
be a world

3566
02:24:33,110 --> 02:24:31,200
event and hopefully he's not the only

3567
02:24:36,070 --> 02:24:33,120
one that this is

3568
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:36,080
uh you know they've picked to uh to to

3569
02:24:40,150 --> 02:24:37,920
have him deal with this

3570
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:40,160
because he can do it he can handle it he

3571
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:42,640
knows he knows he knows the ropes is

3572
02:24:46,630 --> 02:24:43,840
somebody

3573
02:24:48,950 --> 02:24:46,640
are the polarins uh going to reveal

3574
02:24:50,710 --> 02:24:48,960
themselves is that the direction we're

3575
02:24:52,550 --> 02:24:50,720
going with this well that's what i want

3576
02:24:54,230 --> 02:24:52,560
to know uh you know i i want to know

3577
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:54,240
what the extent of it and you know and

3578
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:57,359
these things are really sensitive and uh

3579
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:59,200
fragile so i i don't want to mess

3580
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:01,200
anything up but but it's developing and

3581
02:25:05,030 --> 02:25:02,960
he's he's watching he wants to go public

3582
02:25:06,950 --> 02:25:05,040
with it but he wants to finish his book

3583
02:25:08,710 --> 02:25:06,960
he wants to do he actually wants to do a

3584
02:25:11,270 --> 02:25:08,720
couple more books

3585
02:25:13,910 --> 02:25:11,280
before he goes public with it

3586
02:25:14,630 --> 02:25:13,920
and um

3587
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:14,640
uh

3588
02:25:18,309 --> 02:25:15,680
have they

3589
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:18,319
um we don't have to get into specifics

3590
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:20,240
these are general questions

3591
02:25:25,030 --> 02:25:22,399
um have they been visiting this planet

3592
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:25,040
for a long time oh you know i've i've

3593
02:25:30,150 --> 02:25:26,720
been i've been in this for 50 years

3594
02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:30,160
jimmy they they they've been here

3595
02:25:35,349 --> 02:25:33,040
uh you know they're here now i mean

3596
02:25:38,309 --> 02:25:35,359
they've i've i've interviewed so many

3597
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:38,319
people that have had my my main focus is

3598
02:25:42,870 --> 02:25:40,640
human extraterrestrials and their my

3599
02:25:45,270 --> 02:25:42,880
estimate there's a hundred about 120

3600
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:45,280
races of extraterrestrials on the planet

3601
02:25:49,190 --> 02:25:47,280
are coming coming and going from the

3602
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:49,200
planet right and this is how this is the

3603
02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:51,200
result of a lot of research and i've

3604
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:53,439
interviewed so many people

3605
02:25:58,950 --> 02:25:56,000
well not so many about 15 now

3606
02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:58,960
and uh they've had face-to-face i'm

3607
02:26:04,550 --> 02:26:01,120
talking face-to-face

3608
02:26:06,790 --> 02:26:04,560
uh contact with with uh with uh

3609
02:26:08,950 --> 02:26:06,800
human extraterrestrials my main focus is

3610
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:08,960
human extraterrestrials

3611
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:11,120
because they're they're the ones

3612
02:26:14,309 --> 02:26:12,640
some of us couldn't care some of them

3613
02:26:16,230 --> 02:26:14,319
couldn't care less about us

3614
02:26:17,429 --> 02:26:16,240
you know it's a free will plan if you

3615
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:17,439
want to you know you want to wipe

3616
02:26:20,309 --> 02:26:19,200
yourself out go ahead but there are some

3617
02:26:22,469 --> 02:26:20,319
of them that are doing everything they

3618
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:22,479
can to help us everything they possibly

3619
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:24,000
can to help us

3620
02:26:28,469 --> 02:26:25,840
so those are the ones i'm interested in

3621
02:26:31,590 --> 02:26:28,479
and uh they they uh when i was doing

3622
02:26:32,710 --> 02:26:31,600
tours we would experiment

3623
02:26:34,469 --> 02:26:32,720
uh ex

3624
02:26:36,150 --> 02:26:34,479
if you think about if you think of an

3625
02:26:37,349 --> 02:26:36,160
extraterrestrial human extraterrestrial

3626
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:37,359
they will hear you

3627
02:26:41,110 --> 02:26:39,439
because we did that we we experimented

3628
02:26:42,790 --> 02:26:41,120
on some of my tours

3629
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:42,800
and they would respond you know they

3630
02:26:48,710 --> 02:26:45,600
they'd uh uh you know

3631
02:26:51,510 --> 02:26:48,720
flashes you know or something you know

3632
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:51,520
for example this is uh

3633
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:52,319
oh

3634
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:53,840
now i have witnesses

3635
02:26:56,550 --> 02:26:55,600
i have one woman says you ever need a

3636
02:26:59,190 --> 02:26:56,560
witness

3637
02:27:03,030 --> 02:26:59,200
to corroborate this i'm here because she

3638
02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:03,040
saw it so we went one night we were uh

3639
02:27:06,230 --> 02:27:04,960
we're out where i used to do my ufo

3640
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:06,240
tours

3641
02:27:12,070 --> 02:27:09,520
and uh uh the uh uh

3642
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:12,080
we we this these orange lights are

3643
02:27:15,750 --> 02:27:13,920
blinking on in the distance

3644
02:27:17,590 --> 02:27:15,760
so for some reason the ufos around here

3645
02:27:19,670 --> 02:27:17,600
are orange i don't underst i don't think

3646
02:27:22,150 --> 02:27:19,680
i don't know what that why that is but

3647
02:27:23,349 --> 02:27:22,160
so anyway uh

3648
02:27:27,990 --> 02:27:23,359
uh

3649
02:27:30,950 --> 02:27:28,000
something this and in our minds let's

3650
02:27:34,309 --> 02:27:30,960
say please

3651
02:27:35,750 --> 02:27:34,319
materialize for us for five seconds

3652
02:27:37,990 --> 02:27:35,760
so we can see you because this thing was

3653
02:27:40,950 --> 02:27:38,000
jumping all over the place it was like

3654
02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:40,960
a funny shape right so so that the thing

3655
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:43,280
blinked on and it was a quarter of a

3656
02:27:47,830 --> 02:27:46,080
mile across in front of us

3657
02:27:49,670 --> 02:27:47,840
and it was all orange and the funny

3658
02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:49,680
thing is it was it was even bigger than

3659
02:27:56,070 --> 02:27:52,960
that it was easy quarter of a mile

3660
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:56,080
and uh so the uh the uh

3661
02:28:01,349 --> 02:27:58,399
it looked like a work boot

3662
02:28:03,030 --> 02:28:01,359
with three orange spheres over the the

3663
02:28:06,389 --> 02:28:03,040
foot of the boot

3664
02:28:09,190 --> 02:28:06,399
and uh that was not the whole ship

3665
02:28:10,469 --> 02:28:09,200
so it was uh there for f uh five seconds

3666
02:28:11,750 --> 02:28:10,479
it blinked out

3667
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:11,760
but there was a thing you know you've

3668
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:14,319
watched a 12-foot boat going across a

3669
02:28:17,270 --> 02:28:15,840
lake with a little light on the front of

3670
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:17,280
it you know you can see the light sure

3671
02:28:20,389 --> 02:28:18,000
so

3672
02:28:22,950 --> 02:28:20,399
there was a light on the front of it

3673
02:28:24,469 --> 02:28:22,960
and it uh we watched that light go over

3674
02:28:25,510 --> 02:28:24,479
mingus mountain and it went through the

3675
02:28:28,630 --> 02:28:25,520
trees

3676
02:28:31,270 --> 02:28:28,640
and the whole ship was behind it so

3677
02:28:33,110 --> 02:28:31,280
we thought and it lasted the the big

3678
02:28:35,590 --> 02:28:33,120
ship lasted for five seconds but the

3679
02:28:37,510 --> 02:28:35,600
light was there for quite a while so a

3680
02:28:39,830 --> 02:28:37,520
week later and this is all women again

3681
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:39,840
different women

3682
02:28:44,950 --> 02:28:41,680
the one woman she says if you need a

3683
02:28:47,750 --> 02:28:44,960
witness a testimonial i'm here so anyway

3684
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:47,760
so she we we tried it again so i said i

3685
02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:48,960
said you know this worked pretty good

3686
02:28:54,070 --> 02:28:50,800
last week let's try it again

3687
02:28:56,309 --> 02:28:54,080
we uh uh uh oh yeah we we saw some kind

3688
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:56,319
of activity around mingus

3689
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:58,800
and uh uh if

3690
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:00,160
some of these things if i could have

3691
02:29:06,309 --> 02:29:02,880
filmed them somehow

3692
02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:06,319
we nobody had a camera we uh any any at

3693
02:29:10,389 --> 02:29:07,439
any rate so

3694
02:29:12,950 --> 02:29:10,399
so the uh so we we said please

3695
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:12,960
materialize for five seconds

3696
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:14,800
so we can we can see you so what

3697
02:29:19,110 --> 02:29:16,800
happened we were expecting a ufo right

3698
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:19,120
to materialize in front of us so mingus

3699
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:21,040
mountain is 18 miles away from where we

3700
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:24,560
were and these these roman candle

3701
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:28,560
enormous probably 100 yards across

3702
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:30,240
shot up into the sky

3703
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:32,560
on the on the on the left

3704
02:29:37,990 --> 02:29:35,280
way up into the sky and then

3705
02:29:40,790 --> 02:29:38,000
shot like a roman candle uh

3706
02:29:43,590 --> 02:29:40,800
left and right at an angle up right what

3707
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:43,600
exactly five seconds so they heard us

3708
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:45,359
they answered us

3709
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,240
proof i'm looking so mingus mountain is

3710
02:29:52,870 --> 02:29:50,399
right there right and that's right next

3711
02:29:54,710 --> 02:29:52,880
to a sycamore which is right next to

3712
02:29:56,150 --> 02:29:54,720
sycamore canyon which is right next to

3713
02:29:58,230 --> 02:29:56,160
cottonwood

3714
02:30:01,349 --> 02:29:58,240
all west of arizona

3715
02:30:02,710 --> 02:30:01,359
that sounds like a magical area i i

3716
02:30:05,750 --> 02:30:02,720
think i'm going to have to drive over

3717
02:30:07,590 --> 02:30:05,760
there i wanted to ask you this tom um

3718
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:07,600
and and thank you for

3719
02:30:10,630 --> 02:30:09,359
uh this conversation tonight and i know

3720
02:30:11,830 --> 02:30:10,640
it's getting late

3721
02:30:14,309 --> 02:30:11,840
um

3722
02:30:17,830 --> 02:30:14,319
when you say

3723
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:17,840
human et's right that's who you're

3724
02:30:20,870 --> 02:30:19,280
interested in

3725
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:20,880
is this

3726
02:30:26,309 --> 02:30:23,200
a hybrid

3727
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:26,319
that we're talking about or are they

3728
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:27,920
arriving here

3729
02:30:30,870 --> 02:30:29,200
already

3730
02:30:32,790 --> 02:30:30,880
human et's

3731
02:30:34,710 --> 02:30:32,800
am i even describing that correctly i

3732
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:34,720
think you understand what i'm saying no

3733
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:36,160
you know you know what i used to get all

3734
02:30:40,309 --> 02:30:38,160
the time well are they walk-ins no

3735
02:30:43,750 --> 02:30:40,319
they're not walk-ins they're they're

3736
02:30:47,590 --> 02:30:43,760
human extraterrestrials from the stars

3737
02:30:50,150 --> 02:30:47,600
and most of them the if anything uh some

3738
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:50,160
of them look more oriental

3739
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:52,399
than we we do i mean they it's like it's

3740
02:30:57,270 --> 02:30:54,000
like they were japanese or something you

3741
02:30:58,950 --> 02:30:57,280
know and pointed pointed chins is common

3742
02:31:01,110 --> 02:30:58,960
uh because i've interviewed you know

3743
02:31:03,830 --> 02:31:01,120
many people that have had and you know

3744
02:31:07,030 --> 02:31:03,840
bob dean bob was one of my best friends

3745
02:31:09,750 --> 02:31:07,040
and bob had had uh what i'll tell bob's

3746
02:31:11,349 --> 02:31:09,760
story you know bob dean is super famous

3747
02:31:13,830 --> 02:31:11,359
you know yeah he's great he's great i

3748
02:31:16,469 --> 02:31:13,840
never had a chance to interview him

3749
02:31:19,190 --> 02:31:16,479
um he was one that uh

3750
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:19,200
that i've always wanted to him you know

3751
02:31:23,910 --> 02:31:21,200
there's a couple uh bob dean is one

3752
02:31:25,910 --> 02:31:23,920
lloyd pie is another yeah there's a few

3753
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:25,920
out there that i i didn't get a chance

3754
02:31:30,150 --> 02:31:28,560
to interview over the years and bob dean

3755
02:31:32,309 --> 02:31:30,160
somebody that i've had you know such an

3756
02:31:34,870 --> 02:31:32,319
enormous amount of respect for

3757
02:31:36,389 --> 02:31:34,880
so tell me a bob dean experience you

3758
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:36,399
know lloyd pie was one of my best

3759
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:39,359
friends it's just an amazing guy uh

3760
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:42,560
his research is is just it's it's it's

3761
02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:44,000
helped me so much over the years you

3762
02:31:50,469 --> 02:31:47,200
know what i can i confess something yeah

3763
02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:50,479
i steal more from lloyd pie than anybody

3764
02:31:54,870 --> 02:31:52,640
yeah yeah

3765
02:31:58,150 --> 02:31:54,880
i've just cleansed i've just cleansed to

3766
02:32:00,070 --> 02:31:58,160
myself tom all right so tell us about uh

3767
02:32:02,230 --> 02:32:00,080
you know he had to start star child

3768
02:32:04,950 --> 02:32:02,240
skull yeah and i had i had it in my

3769
02:32:06,150 --> 02:32:04,960
hands the star child skull he was here

3770
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:06,160
in sedona

3771
02:32:10,469 --> 02:32:07,840
getting ready he was trying to raise 50

3772
02:32:13,190 --> 02:32:10,479
000 to get a dna test of it i remember

3773
02:32:14,950 --> 02:32:13,200
that yeah yeah so yeah lloyd was a good

3774
02:32:17,349 --> 02:32:14,960
guy he died he died too

3775
02:32:19,830 --> 02:32:17,359
too fast too sudden you know um

3776
02:32:22,710 --> 02:32:19,840
can i ask you about that for a second um

3777
02:32:25,590 --> 02:32:22,720
it it because

3778
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:25,600
um it happened so quickly

3779
02:32:28,070 --> 02:32:27,040
it was like

3780
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:28,080
um

3781
02:32:34,309 --> 02:32:31,600
he was he was healthy right i mean every

3782
02:32:37,830 --> 02:32:34,319
and and then all of a sudden

3783
02:32:40,870 --> 02:32:37,840
cancer it it it happened in in like a

3784
02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:40,880
month or two didn't it yeah yeah

3785
02:32:46,230 --> 02:32:43,600
i i hope he wasn't assassinated i i just

3786
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:46,240
have to hope he wasn't right you know i

3787
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:49,840
i really do i mean i've i've

3788
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:53,120
uh uh yeah um so anyway

3789
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:56,000
he was a funny guy too yeah he was he

3790
02:33:00,710 --> 02:32:57,359
was a funny guy

3791
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:00,720
yeah southern southern stuff virginia

3792
02:33:04,070 --> 02:33:02,479
he had a he had a way in his

3793
02:33:06,950 --> 02:33:04,080
presentations

3794
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:06,960
uh uh because uh he would speak for so

3795
02:33:11,429 --> 02:33:08,800
long and it was so detailed you know i

3796
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:11,439
mean very detailed research

3797
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:13,200
uh especially when it got into the

3798
02:33:21,429 --> 02:33:16,560
anthropology part of it um but

3799
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:24,150
this very serious presentation and he

3800
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:26,000
would he would break things up and make

3801
02:33:29,830 --> 02:33:28,080
people really laugh and that's one of

3802
02:33:32,309 --> 02:33:29,840
the things i appreciated about him so

3803
02:33:34,790 --> 02:33:32,319
much yeah so the southern humor yeah

3804
02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:34,800
it's like me with my my main yankee

3805
02:33:38,550 --> 02:33:36,319
humor it takes people a while to get

3806
02:33:40,790 --> 02:33:38,560
used to me you know you know lloyd you

3807
02:33:42,950 --> 02:33:40,800
know lloyd proved that we

3808
02:33:45,270 --> 02:33:42,960
that extra human extraterrestrials

3809
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:45,280
spliced their dna in with ours that's

3810
02:33:48,790 --> 02:33:46,960
where we came from

3811
02:33:52,389 --> 02:33:48,800
lloyd proved it

3812
02:33:53,670 --> 02:33:52,399
uh he he in his in his book uh uh he

3813
02:33:55,510 --> 02:33:53,680
showed where

3814
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:55,520
uh uh

3815
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:58,080
their dna was spliced in with with ours

3816
02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:00,399
oh and i i want to say this

3817
02:34:05,110 --> 02:34:02,560
you know i study this stuff all the time

3818
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:05,120
i think we are becoming

3819
02:34:08,309 --> 02:34:06,880
human extraterrestrials because we're

3820
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:08,319
starting to do

3821
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:10,479
strange things strange abilities strange

3822
02:34:15,429 --> 02:34:12,640
psychic abilities remote viewing i'm a

3823
02:34:17,590 --> 02:34:15,439
master remote viewer i was born with it

3824
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:17,600
and maureen saint-germain and i just did

3825
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:20,080
a big workshop thing we just finished it

3826
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:21,120
up

3827
02:34:26,790 --> 02:34:24,399
uh she she taught them military type and

3828
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,800
i i did she calls it the tom dongle

3829
02:34:30,630 --> 02:34:28,640
version but anyways that's remote

3830
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:30,640
viewing that's one of the things so i i

3831
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:31,760
think we're

3832
02:34:35,349 --> 02:34:34,000
we're we're becoming extraterrestrials

3833
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:35,359
because we're doing things now that we

3834
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:37,439
never did before

3835
02:34:41,670 --> 02:34:39,760
in a psychic sensor things we see things

3836
02:34:44,309 --> 02:34:41,680
we do

3837
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:44,319
you know so it's it's uh i'm hoping we

3838
02:34:48,070 --> 02:34:46,240
are uh you know that

3839
02:34:50,309 --> 02:34:48,080
uh you know and the critical thinkers

3840
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:50,319
the critical thinkers are getting to be

3841
02:34:53,750 --> 02:34:52,640
really critical these days and finally

3842
02:34:55,030 --> 02:34:53,760
they're starting to

3843
02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:55,040
you know with all the stuff that's going

3844
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:56,800
on in the world we need the critical

3845
02:35:01,510 --> 02:34:59,439
thinkers to really come forward yeah i

3846
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:01,520
think our kids today

3847
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:04,160
um and i i you know i have two daughters

3848
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:07,040
they're both 27 years old now but

3849
02:35:12,870 --> 02:35:10,479
i watch them grow up doing things

3850
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:12,880
uh i think their dna has been altered

3851
02:35:16,790 --> 02:35:15,840
tom i i really do you and i when we were

3852
02:35:19,190 --> 02:35:16,800
kids

3853
02:35:20,389 --> 02:35:19,200
we were playing with mud pies right

3854
02:35:22,150 --> 02:35:20,399
right

3855
02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:22,160
kids today

3856
02:35:34,230 --> 02:35:22,960
they

3857
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:34,240
it i i read a stat

3858
02:35:38,790 --> 02:35:37,120
this goes to your point i i read this a

3859
02:35:39,830 --> 02:35:38,800
couple of months ago talked about it on

3860
02:35:41,670 --> 02:35:39,840
the air

3861
02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:41,680
that

3862
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:44,720
i i forget the number but it's like nine

3863
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:48,319
out of ten infants

3864
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,200
can

3865
02:35:55,590 --> 02:35:51,520
navigate an ipad

3866
02:35:57,910 --> 02:35:55,600
before they say their first word

3867
02:36:00,550 --> 02:35:57,920
yeah now how how was that

3868
02:36:01,349 --> 02:36:00,560
yeah how was that i mean where

3869
02:36:03,429 --> 02:36:01,359
what

3870
02:36:06,230 --> 02:36:03,439
right it's just incredible to me let's

3871
02:36:08,550 --> 02:36:06,240
go i want to hear your bob dean's story

3872
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:08,560
oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm glad you're

3873
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:10,319
keeping me on track because i wander

3874
02:36:16,950 --> 02:36:13,760
real bad it's okay but bob you know he

3875
02:36:19,590 --> 02:36:16,960
when he was a sheriff in in down tucson

3876
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:19,600
he was uh he was uh up in his office one

3877
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:21,680
day he was on the second story

3878
02:36:26,309 --> 02:36:24,080
and i've heard all of bob's stories so i

3879
02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:26,319
know i know i know pretty much what bar

3880
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:29,600
and i know what wendell wendell uh

3881
02:36:33,670 --> 02:36:31,439
stevens i i've

3882
02:36:35,830 --> 02:36:33,680
you know i know most of his stories too

3883
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:35,840
but so anyway bob was in his office one

3884
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:37,439
day and this guy knocked on his on his

3885
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:39,280
his door was open he knocked on the the

3886
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:42,240
the other the sill

3887
02:36:46,469 --> 02:36:43,680
and he said bob can i talk to you for a

3888
02:36:48,710 --> 02:36:46,479
minute any any bob said he was a real

3889
02:36:50,309 --> 02:36:48,720
nice guy just a normal guy just like a

3890
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:50,319
normal guy you know some guy just got

3891
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:51,920
off work or whatever

3892
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:54,479
so so he he comes in he's talking about

3893
02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:56,479
he he gets gets right into the subject

3894
02:37:00,150 --> 02:36:58,000
of extraterrestrials human

3895
02:37:01,349 --> 02:37:00,160
extraterrestrials you know bob was

3896
02:37:03,510 --> 02:37:01,359
really help on this right from the

3897
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:03,520
beginning for many years he's been into

3898
02:37:08,230 --> 02:37:06,240
this so bob's bob's you know thinking

3899
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:08,240
who is this guy you know so

3900
02:37:13,110 --> 02:37:10,240
so the guy the guy said well i i have to

3901
02:37:14,950 --> 02:37:13,120
go now and uh so he said shake hands

3902
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:14,960
with bob and said you know nice to talk

3903
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:17,200
to you you know and bob said he was a

3904
02:37:21,990 --> 02:37:19,920
great guy a really nice guy so he went

3905
02:37:23,830 --> 02:37:22,000
out the door and bob's thinking hmm now

3906
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:23,840
wait a minute i i got to talk to this

3907
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:26,240
guy again so he called down the front

3908
02:37:30,309 --> 02:37:27,920
and and said to the guy at the front

3909
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:30,319
desk that was was by the front door

3910
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,640
he said hey bob said hey stop that guy's

3911
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:34,560
coming downstairs i want to talk to him

3912
02:37:39,510 --> 02:37:37,600
there was this pause and the guy said

3913
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:39,520
what guy coming down the stairs you and

3914
02:37:46,550 --> 02:37:42,399
i are the only persons in the building

3915
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:46,560
so the guy was an extraterrestrial

3916
02:37:51,670 --> 02:37:50,080
did you get a chance to i mean it's now

3917
02:37:54,070 --> 02:37:51,680
it's so

3918
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:54,080
uh so much part of urban legend right

3919
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:57,840
the wendell stevens uh collection

3920
02:38:03,030 --> 02:38:00,560
and uh i tell the story often i'm not

3921
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:03,040
gonna uh go into details now but when i

3922
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:04,479
was a kid

3923
02:38:09,510 --> 02:38:08,160
you know 20 21 years old i'm 58. i i got

3924
02:38:13,590 --> 02:38:09,520
uh a

3925
02:38:15,510 --> 02:38:13,600
a collection of ufo you know videos

3926
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:15,520
home recording things but one of them

3927
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:19,040
was like four hours of wendell stevens

3928
02:38:23,510 --> 02:38:21,200
just showing his pictures

3929
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:23,520
and it was like the most amazing and

3930
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:26,160
this is like in the early 80s when when

3931
02:38:30,870 --> 02:38:28,399
uh when i got this videotape

3932
02:38:33,270 --> 02:38:30,880
and i've been fascinated with wendell uh

3933
02:38:35,030 --> 02:38:33,280
ever since uh did you get a chance to

3934
02:38:37,020 --> 02:38:35,040
just sit down with wendell and go

3935
02:38:38,870 --> 02:38:37,030
through go through his collection

3936
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:38,880
[Music]

3937
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:40,960
uh not all of it but i've got some of

3938
02:38:45,429 --> 02:38:43,600
his photographs in in my in my i wrote

3939
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:45,439
on wendell stevens so that i'm not

3940
02:38:50,389 --> 02:38:47,040
claiming that they're mine but i've got

3941
02:38:52,550 --> 02:38:50,399
quite a few of his in my collection

3942
02:38:54,550 --> 02:38:52,560
and what do you what he

3943
02:38:58,150 --> 02:38:54,560
you know and he spent decades you know

3944
02:39:01,510 --> 02:38:58,160
collecting this um and when that's i

3945
02:39:03,670 --> 02:39:01,520
want you to make me envious right now

3946
02:39:05,110 --> 02:39:03,680
what's it like to go through uh his

3947
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:05,120
photographs

3948
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:08,479
well i i never did complete i i heard

3949
02:39:12,070 --> 02:39:10,399
stories about all the books you know the

3950
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:12,080
thousands of books he had

3951
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:14,560
and the photographs and i i've uh

3952
02:39:17,750 --> 02:39:16,880
through other people i've i've seen many

3953
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:17,760
of them

3954
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:20,640
and that he he never really uh

3955
02:39:23,910 --> 02:39:22,560
you know pushed pushed his photographs

3956
02:39:25,990 --> 02:39:23,920
he just had them and that was it you

3957
02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:26,000
know all right you know i've got this

3958
02:39:30,950 --> 02:39:28,720
ufo and i have many of them

3959
02:39:32,710 --> 02:39:30,960
uh so i'm i'm for i feel fortunate to

3960
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:32,720
have them you know that and i and i

3961
02:39:36,469 --> 02:39:35,200
write wendell stevens on so nobody i

3962
02:39:37,670 --> 02:39:36,479
think that i'm

3963
02:39:42,469 --> 02:39:37,680
you know

3964
02:39:43,349 --> 02:39:42,479
yeah i know i i i never

3965
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:43,359
you know

3966
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:46,880
uh i when all this was going on i heard

3967
02:39:49,750 --> 02:39:48,720
certain things i never knew what to

3968
02:39:51,750 --> 02:39:49,760
believe you know because there was

3969
02:39:53,830 --> 02:39:51,760
stories going around and

3970
02:39:55,190 --> 02:39:53,840
and uh so i don't know i don't know who

3971
02:39:57,270 --> 02:39:55,200
ended up with all of wendell's books

3972
02:40:00,870 --> 02:39:57,280
somebody bought them all yeah i've heard

3973
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:00,880
uh look i've been contacted by a few

3974
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:03,280
different individuals that let's say

3975
02:40:07,510 --> 02:40:05,120
that they have it or they have part of

3976
02:40:09,670 --> 02:40:07,520
it it divvied up it was in a storage

3977
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:09,680
container it's been moved and you know

3978
02:40:14,710 --> 02:40:12,399
i've i've i've heard uh and

3979
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:14,720
many people have reached out to me

3980
02:40:18,630 --> 02:40:15,600
um

3981
02:40:20,870 --> 02:40:18,640
and and a lot of it uh was even up on

3982
02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:20,880
ebay there was a lot of uh

3983
02:40:25,269 --> 02:40:23,439
of his original stuff that uh was

3984
02:40:26,950 --> 02:40:25,279
showing up for sale on the internet and

3985
02:40:29,830 --> 02:40:26,960
i thought i thought that that part of it

3986
02:40:31,110 --> 02:40:29,840
was uh pretty sad but here's the other

3987
02:40:32,550 --> 02:40:31,120
part

3988
02:40:34,309 --> 02:40:32,560
i mean for me

3989
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:34,319
when we talk about bob dean and we talk

3990
02:40:37,830 --> 02:40:36,319
about wendell uh you know of course

3991
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:37,840
stanton friedman

3992
02:40:43,590 --> 02:40:40,720
um jim mars is uh somebody else that

3993
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:43,600
comes to mind and john anthony west that

3994
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:45,200
these individuals

3995
02:40:49,429 --> 02:40:48,080
you know the greats right that that are

3996
02:40:51,910 --> 02:40:49,439
not here

3997
02:40:54,550 --> 02:40:51,920
to live through the moments that we are

3998
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:54,560
living through right now and and and

3999
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:56,160
they deserve

4000
02:41:02,710 --> 02:40:59,760
uh to to enjoy the moment uh

4001
02:41:05,429 --> 02:41:02,720
that we're going through shouldn't they

4002
02:41:06,389 --> 02:41:05,439
yeah you know the great ones are uh you

4003
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:06,399
know

4004
02:41:10,469 --> 02:41:09,520
a woman stood up when i was doing a talk

4005
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:10,479
one day

4006
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:12,640
that was packed a house and and i don't

4007
02:41:15,750 --> 02:41:13,840
know what's

4008
02:41:17,750 --> 02:41:15,760
uh

4009
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:17,760
urge you to say this but she stood up

4010
02:41:22,710 --> 02:41:20,640
and i was talking about someone

4011
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:22,720
something of that and she said she said

4012
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:24,720
you know the great ones are leaving one

4013
02:41:29,269 --> 02:41:26,880
by one now the great ones are almost all

4014
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:29,279
gone and i thought about that a lot and

4015
02:41:35,110 --> 02:41:32,640
the great ones are almost all gone

4016
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:35,120
you can name them and they're all gone

4017
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:38,479
and uh uh you know and uh

4018
02:41:43,110 --> 02:41:40,800
and you know and and many of those guys

4019
02:41:44,870 --> 02:41:43,120
were my personal friends i mean personal

4020
02:41:46,710 --> 02:41:44,880
friends close friends

4021
02:41:48,950 --> 02:41:46,720
like bob me and bob used to sit out on

4022
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:48,960
his porch and smoke cigars

4023
02:41:53,910 --> 02:41:50,800
you know bob smokes smoked those damn

4024
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:55,429
he had to suck on him for 10 minutes but

4025
02:42:01,830 --> 02:41:59,040
you got any smoke out of him

4026
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:01,840
so i i you know and so i've i've heard

4027
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:05,040
many stories in uh

4028
02:42:08,950 --> 02:42:06,560
uh oh there's something i was gonna say

4029
02:42:10,870 --> 02:42:08,960
i forgot but but yeah it was it was

4030
02:42:13,429 --> 02:42:10,880
amazing being around those guys you know

4031
02:42:15,269 --> 02:42:13,439
in the in the beginning i i was

4032
02:42:18,389 --> 02:42:15,279
you know an apprentice listening to

4033
02:42:21,429 --> 02:42:18,399
these guys like wendell sure and uh uh

4034
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:21,439
so so it was it was something that uh i

4035
02:42:25,510 --> 02:42:23,840
i really treasure knowing those guys

4036
02:42:29,110 --> 02:42:25,520
that are gone now

4037
02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:29,120
you know and one of the things um

4038
02:42:32,389 --> 02:42:29,920
uh

4039
02:42:33,910 --> 02:42:32,399
as you know i'm i'm a youngster right

4040
02:42:35,510 --> 02:42:33,920
i'm 58.

4041
02:42:37,429 --> 02:42:35,520
and uh

4042
02:42:39,269 --> 02:42:37,439
i i have the

4043
02:42:41,910 --> 02:42:39,279
the honor and the privilege to be

4044
02:42:44,309 --> 02:42:41,920
hosting these conferences and and to go

4045
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:44,319
out and and to meet these researchers

4046
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:47,040
and but more so than that

4047
02:42:51,510 --> 02:42:49,600
um the generation

4048
02:42:54,070 --> 02:42:51,520
that i see coming up

4049
02:42:56,389 --> 02:42:54,080
i'm very impressed with their knowledge

4050
02:42:58,870 --> 02:42:56,399
and how they have gone in

4051
02:43:00,389 --> 02:42:58,880
and looked to the bob deans of the world

4052
02:43:02,870 --> 02:43:00,399
right the john anthony west and the

4053
02:43:05,110 --> 02:43:02,880
lloyd pies and they've respected their

4054
02:43:07,349 --> 02:43:05,120
research and their interest in the

4055
02:43:10,309 --> 02:43:07,359
subject and i think that we're in pretty

4056
02:43:12,950 --> 02:43:10,319
good hands moving forward you know and

4057
02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:12,960
um i i used to look at you know somebody

4058
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:14,640
like richard dolan

4059
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:16,160
as uh

4060
02:43:21,590 --> 02:43:19,600
uh the young guy on the scene yeah right

4061
02:43:24,870 --> 02:43:21,600
richard and i are the same age

4062
02:43:26,469 --> 02:43:24,880
and uh and and and i look around yes

4063
02:43:28,389 --> 02:43:26,479
we're in good hands but the but the

4064
02:43:29,429 --> 02:43:28,399
generations below us

4065
02:43:31,349 --> 02:43:29,439
tom

4066
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:31,359
these kids are smart

4067
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:34,160
and they're really into the subject and

4068
02:43:37,670 --> 02:43:36,720
and and they look beyond

4069
02:43:39,830 --> 02:43:37,680
uh

4070
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:39,840
where our minds go i think we're in good

4071
02:43:43,670 --> 02:43:42,000
hands uh what do you think yeah i think

4072
02:43:45,910 --> 02:43:43,680
so their minds are different they're

4073
02:43:47,590 --> 02:43:45,920
born super intelligent you know the the

4074
02:43:49,590 --> 02:43:47,600
crystal kids the

4075
02:43:51,510 --> 02:43:49,600
you know the different ones like borisky

4076
02:43:52,790 --> 02:43:51,520
in in russia you know he's he's turned

4077
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:52,800
out to be

4078
02:43:57,110 --> 02:43:55,840
uh he when he was a little kid a baby he

4079
02:43:58,870 --> 02:43:57,120
he was telling

4080
02:44:02,070 --> 02:43:58,880
scientists about what's out there in

4081
02:44:04,150 --> 02:44:02,080
space and turns out he was right

4082
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:04,160
yeah yeah i agree with you i agree with

4083
02:44:10,389 --> 02:44:04,880
you

4084
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:10,399
uh

4085
02:44:20,790 --> 02:44:18,560
just just shows like this and i've got a

4086
02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:20,800
couple of big speaking gigs coming up

4087
02:44:23,910 --> 02:44:22,240
and i'm working on those right now it's

4088
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:23,920
mostly speaking stuff and

4089
02:44:28,950 --> 02:44:26,240
i'm trying to taper off but i'm not

4090
02:44:31,429 --> 02:44:28,960
doing too good i'm too good at that you

4091
02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:31,439
know you're not tapering off we need you

4092
02:44:36,550 --> 02:44:33,840
tom and uh i

4093
02:44:38,710 --> 02:44:36,560
uh i i can't believe it's taken us this

4094
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:38,720
many years to get you on the show um i

4095
02:44:43,110 --> 02:44:40,800
look forward to our next conversation

4096
02:44:44,389 --> 02:44:43,120
and and maybe i'll get a chance to uh

4097
02:44:46,389 --> 02:44:44,399
break bread to hang out with you a

4098
02:44:47,590 --> 02:44:46,399
little bit in sedona this weekend

4099
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:47,600
yeah

4100
02:44:52,389 --> 02:44:49,840
thank you so much behave and be well and

4101
02:44:54,309 --> 02:44:52,399
be safe stay out of sycamore canyon

4102
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:54,319
young man yeah

4103
02:45:00,469 --> 02:44:56,560
thank you tom all right yeah yeah

4104
02:45:04,630 --> 02:45:02,630
i'm going to take a quick break this is

4105
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fade to black i want to thank tom dongo

4106
02:45:09,190 --> 02:45:07,520
for coming in and i'll swing right back

4107
02:45:12,630 --> 02:45:09,200
after this short break this is our first

4108
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time guest week here on fade to black

4109
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what an amazing week last night of

4110
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course dave scott tonight tom dango

4111
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tomorrow night jazz shaw is going to be

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here i'm your host jimmy church this is

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fade to black stay with me i'll be right

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4216
02:50:53,590 --> 02:50:51,920
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

4217
02:50:56,790 --> 02:50:53,600
jimmy church i want to thank tom dongle

4218
02:51:02,070 --> 02:50:58,469
that was an amazing conference i could

4219
02:51:05,269 --> 02:51:02,080
talk to tom all night long

4220
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:05,279
and uh what it's just so much to unpack

4221
02:51:09,590 --> 02:51:07,680
there and uh i didn't open up the phone

4222
02:51:12,389 --> 02:51:09,600
lines but some calls

4223
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:12,399
uh came in and they're on hold so i will

4224
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:15,200
uh i will uh maybe get to one or two

4225
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:17,600
calls here before the end of the night

4226
02:51:21,269 --> 02:51:18,399
but

4227
02:51:22,550 --> 02:51:21,279
um uh like i said so much to unpack

4228
02:51:24,710 --> 02:51:22,560
there and

4229
02:51:27,429 --> 02:51:24,720
uh going back to what i was saying at

4230
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:27,439
the start of the show about omua

4231
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:31,439
and some of the points that uh are not

4232
02:51:36,389 --> 02:51:33,600
being discussed right now

4233
02:51:38,710 --> 02:51:36,399
and it goes right back to what tom was

4234
02:51:40,550 --> 02:51:38,720
talking about tonight and a couple of uh

4235
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:40,560
things that he described and one of them

4236
02:51:45,670 --> 02:51:43,439
was the craft that was being worked on

4237
02:51:48,550 --> 02:51:45,680
that was a quarter mile away

4238
02:51:51,110 --> 02:51:48,560
and he described it as about a hundred

4239
02:51:52,870 --> 02:51:51,120
feet in diameter and he could see that

4240
02:51:56,389 --> 02:51:52,880
it was damaged and they were working on

4241
02:51:58,950 --> 02:51:56,399
it but that there were lights that were

4242
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:58,960
moving around and and working on this

4243
02:52:01,990 --> 02:52:01,120
craft and

4244
02:52:03,269 --> 02:52:02,000
uh

4245
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:03,279
the

4246
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:04,560
uh uh

4247
02:52:08,230 --> 02:52:06,080
and his friend you know jumped in the

4248
02:52:10,150 --> 02:52:08,240
four-wheel drive and uh with his

4249
02:52:13,349 --> 02:52:10,160
girlfriend went down and drove right up

4250
02:52:14,790 --> 02:52:13,359
on it and and and and got a a really

4251
02:52:18,309 --> 02:52:14,800
good close look

4252
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:18,319
that's a fascinating uh

4253
02:52:23,830 --> 02:52:19,840
encounter

4254
02:52:26,550 --> 02:52:23,840
and it goes back to when i when um

4255
02:52:27,670 --> 02:52:26,560
speaking about omumua earlier

4256
02:52:29,590 --> 02:52:27,680
that

4257
02:52:31,670 --> 02:52:29,600
one of the things now remember tom

4258
02:52:36,469 --> 02:52:31,680
described this as a disc

4259
02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:36,479
and uh avi uh has been describing omumua

4260
02:52:40,630 --> 02:52:39,040
as probably disc shape it was shaped

4261
02:52:43,429 --> 02:52:40,640
like a pancake

4262
02:52:45,349 --> 02:52:43,439
and a hundred meters uh

4263
02:52:47,349 --> 02:52:45,359
uh in length

4264
02:52:49,830 --> 02:52:47,359
um some of the data suggests it might

4265
02:52:51,510 --> 02:52:49,840
have been even bigger than that

4266
02:52:54,950 --> 02:52:51,520
but uh a dis

4267
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:54,960
shaped craft that was metallic it had a

4268
02:52:59,110 --> 02:52:57,600
surface made of metal

4269
02:53:03,349 --> 02:52:59,120
and

4270
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:03,359
up um tom

4271
02:53:08,150 --> 02:53:06,000
with his descriptions uh tonight of

4272
02:53:10,870 --> 02:53:08,160
these craft that he has seen

4273
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:10,880
not all are disc shaped um

4274
02:53:14,710 --> 02:53:12,560
uh

4275
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:14,720
the one that he said that was falling

4276
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:17,279
like a feather that had three lights um

4277
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:19,439
in the center of it that was interesting

4278
02:53:22,630 --> 02:53:21,600
but my point being

4279
02:53:25,830 --> 02:53:22,640
that

4280
02:53:29,349 --> 02:53:25,840
uh disc shaped craft

4281
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:29,359
have been reported photographed seen uh

4282
02:53:34,230 --> 02:53:33,120
filmed videotaped for decades this isn't

4283
02:53:35,269 --> 02:53:34,240
something

4284
02:53:39,269 --> 02:53:35,279
new

4285
02:53:40,950 --> 02:53:39,279
this is the way that uh uh witnesses

4286
02:53:42,550 --> 02:53:40,960
have described what they have been

4287
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:42,560
seeing for a long time

4288
02:53:46,389 --> 02:53:45,359
and here we have a craft

4289
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:46,399
uh

4290
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:47,520
that

4291
02:53:52,790 --> 02:53:49,920
literally was interstellar

4292
02:53:54,870 --> 02:53:52,800
uh it came in from outside of our solar

4293
02:53:55,830 --> 02:53:54,880
system interstellar

4294
02:54:04,389 --> 02:53:55,840
and

4295
02:54:07,190 --> 02:54:04,399
i find that absolutely fascinating

4296
02:54:09,590 --> 02:54:07,200
there's now there is another

4297
02:54:11,349 --> 02:54:09,600
uh point that i want to bring up uh

4298
02:54:12,870 --> 02:54:11,359
about this and then i'll i'll grab a

4299
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:12,880
quick phone call

4300
02:54:18,070 --> 02:54:15,680
is that the reason why

4301
02:54:21,349 --> 02:54:18,080
now i can't get an avi's head completely

4302
02:54:22,150 --> 02:54:21,359
on this javilo but the reason why disc

4303
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:22,160
uh

4304
02:54:30,389 --> 02:54:23,600
is

4305
02:54:32,230 --> 02:54:30,399
and the light that was generated off of

4306
02:54:34,870 --> 02:54:32,240
our sun

4307
02:54:36,309 --> 02:54:34,880
off of this craft as it came through

4308
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:36,319
check this out

4309
02:54:41,830 --> 02:54:39,200
the rotation of the craft

4310
02:54:43,830 --> 02:54:41,840
took eight hours

4311
02:54:47,030 --> 02:54:43,840
so they were able to get some pretty

4312
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:47,040
accurate measurements and so

4313
02:54:50,469 --> 02:54:48,560
we're talking about

4314
02:54:52,150 --> 02:54:50,479
it took eight hours

4315
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:52,160
for this

4316
02:54:56,070 --> 02:54:53,840
to rotate

4317
02:54:59,590 --> 02:54:56,080
now if it's um

4318
02:55:03,030 --> 02:54:59,600
if it's round if it's disk shape then

4319
02:55:04,389 --> 02:55:03,040
that rotation you're gonna see a steady

4320
02:55:05,750 --> 02:55:04,399
decline

4321
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:05,760
because of

4322
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:08,399
the round sides of it right remember

4323
02:55:13,110 --> 02:55:10,560
it's it's moving like this and that's a

4324
02:55:15,190 --> 02:55:13,120
different measurement as opposed to

4325
02:55:18,230 --> 02:55:15,200
something that's shaped like this and is

4326
02:55:20,389 --> 02:55:18,240
rotating you're going to get a dramatic

4327
02:55:22,710 --> 02:55:20,399
change in the reflection that's

4328
02:55:24,870 --> 02:55:22,720
happening here to here

4329
02:55:26,230 --> 02:55:24,880
it's going to have a sudden drop off

4330
02:55:27,910 --> 02:55:26,240
that's why

4331
02:55:31,910 --> 02:55:27,920
he thinks

4332
02:55:33,030 --> 02:55:31,920
that it was a pancake shape disk shape

4333
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:33,040
and

4334
02:55:37,510 --> 02:55:35,680
this is something that needs to be i

4335
02:55:39,110 --> 02:55:37,520
don't know why

4336
02:55:40,070 --> 02:55:39,120
it's right there it's in print it's in

4337
02:55:42,790 --> 02:55:40,080
his book

4338
02:55:46,070 --> 02:55:42,800
and it's described in such detail and

4339
02:55:48,070 --> 02:55:46,080
why the data suggests this

4340
02:55:50,870 --> 02:55:48,080
that it's not being discussed not only

4341
02:55:51,910 --> 02:55:50,880
in in science but in in our ufo

4342
02:55:56,469 --> 02:55:51,920
community

4343
02:55:58,710 --> 02:55:56,479
and that the rate of of of reflection of

4344
02:56:01,510 --> 02:55:58,720
light coming off of this

4345
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:01,520
is is not

4346
02:56:06,710 --> 02:56:03,200
rock

4347
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:06,720
right it's not it's not an asteroid

4348
02:56:10,870 --> 02:56:09,359
it's metallic it's got a reflective

4349
02:56:13,830 --> 02:56:10,880
surface on it

4350
02:56:16,389 --> 02:56:13,840
this is this is incredible and and it

4351
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:16,399
goes right back to what tom has been

4352
02:56:21,910 --> 02:56:17,760
describing

4353
02:56:24,389 --> 02:56:21,920
uh through his years of uh research i

4354
02:56:25,990 --> 02:56:24,399
find it absolutely incredible okay so i

4355
02:56:27,990 --> 02:56:26,000
just wanted to make those two points

4356
02:56:29,190 --> 02:56:28,000
let's uh let's go to the phones hi

4357
02:56:32,309 --> 02:56:29,200
you're live on fade to black who's

4358
02:56:37,030 --> 02:56:34,710
hello yes you're live who's calling

4359
02:56:39,190 --> 02:56:37,040
what's your name

4360
02:56:41,429 --> 02:56:39,200
this is rooster from the bayou man what

4361
02:56:43,110 --> 02:56:41,439
did i just hear

4362
02:56:44,950 --> 02:56:43,120
what do you mean

4363
02:56:47,750 --> 02:56:44,960
uh who are the

4364
02:56:50,150 --> 02:56:47,760
polarians yes yes what were they

4365
02:56:51,670 --> 02:56:50,160
speaking to yes

4366
02:56:53,190 --> 02:56:51,680
right right

4367
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:53,200
is our government getting ready to do

4368
02:56:57,510 --> 02:56:55,359
something yeah right right right no

4369
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:57,520
you're right

4370
02:57:02,870 --> 02:56:59,840
rooster rooster you heard the same thing

4371
02:57:04,309 --> 02:57:02,880
i did i mean i was blown away

4372
02:57:06,870 --> 02:57:04,319
and uh

4373
02:57:09,429 --> 02:57:06,880
are you headed to sedona well

4374
02:57:11,590 --> 02:57:09,439
see here's the thing everything that you

4375
02:57:14,389 --> 02:57:11,600
just asked me i was thinking the same

4376
02:57:17,349 --> 02:57:14,399
thing because i asked tom right

4377
02:57:19,429 --> 02:57:17,359
is tom the same thing i mean what what's

4378
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:19,439
going on here

4379
02:57:25,190 --> 02:57:23,040
yeah is this a lead up to something like

4380
02:57:27,349 --> 02:57:25,200
worldwide that's about to happen yeah

4381
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:27,359
i'm feeling it man i'm feeling are you

4382
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:29,120
feeling it

4383
02:57:37,830 --> 02:57:36,000
pol palarion is isn't that what he said

4384
02:57:39,910 --> 02:57:37,840
what play aryans

4385
02:57:41,190 --> 02:57:39,920
who have they been speaking to polarians

4386
02:57:43,590 --> 02:57:41,200
i don't know he said they're not the

4387
02:57:44,790 --> 02:57:43,600
pleiadian right they're the pilarians or

4388
02:57:46,950 --> 02:57:44,800
something and they've been talking to

4389
02:57:47,830 --> 02:57:46,960
this guy i know who's about to drop some

4390
02:57:50,469 --> 02:57:47,840
stuff

4391
02:57:52,710 --> 02:57:50,479
is it going to be like a are they just

4392
02:57:54,630 --> 02:57:52,720
going to show up somewhere like and he

4393
02:57:57,670 --> 02:57:54,640
said it's going to be a worldwide event

4394
02:58:01,590 --> 02:57:57,680
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

4395
02:58:04,309 --> 02:58:01,600
you know and uh i mean

4396
02:58:05,429 --> 02:58:04,319
loved the show last night i started it

4397
02:58:08,309 --> 02:58:05,439
late

4398
02:58:10,389 --> 02:58:08,319
so i watched it from yours

4399
02:58:12,230 --> 02:58:10,399
into space out radio you guys did an

4400
02:58:13,510 --> 02:58:12,240
awesome job that was awesome yeah we

4401
02:58:17,269 --> 02:58:13,520
pulled it off

4402
02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:17,279
we got it

4403
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:19,680
but i could tell when tom said this is a

4404
02:58:25,269 --> 02:58:21,920
jimmy church exclusive here we go

4405
02:58:27,429 --> 02:58:25,279
exclusively and and i was like uh oh and

4406
02:58:29,830 --> 02:58:27,439
this is coming from tom dango

4407
02:58:31,510 --> 02:58:29,840
uh time to pay attention time to pay

4408
02:58:34,550 --> 02:58:31,520
attention yeah

4409
02:58:36,469 --> 02:58:34,560
polarian polarians not not polluting

4410
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:36,479
tell you anything about polarians i've

4411
02:58:40,710 --> 02:58:39,040
never heard it before have you

4412
02:58:42,710 --> 02:58:40,720
no no no no

4413
02:58:45,429 --> 02:58:42,720
hearing it for the first time as well

4414
02:58:48,309 --> 02:58:45,439
hey brewster where are you from yeah you

4415
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:48,319
said baton rouge

4416
02:58:53,030 --> 02:58:51,600
no down down louisiana yeah okay close

4417
02:58:55,830 --> 02:58:53,040
enough

4418
02:58:58,150 --> 02:58:55,840
right all right well i love the show

4419
02:59:00,469 --> 02:58:58,160
jimmy uh take another caller man it was

4420
02:59:03,030 --> 02:59:00,479
cool i i'm at the end of the show man

4421
02:59:05,990 --> 02:59:03,040
but i'm glad i got you in rooster behave

4422
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:06,000
and be well we'll see you tomorrow night

4423
02:59:09,349 --> 02:59:07,359
indeed bye

4424
02:59:10,790 --> 02:59:09,359
that's a great call right there

4425
02:59:11,830 --> 02:59:10,800
and uh

4426
02:59:16,710 --> 02:59:11,840
uh

4427
02:59:18,790 --> 02:59:17,670
now

4428
02:59:20,870 --> 02:59:18,800
uh

4429
02:59:23,670 --> 02:59:20,880
i'm throwing this out there to you fader

4430
02:59:25,349 --> 02:59:23,680
knots have you heard

4431
02:59:27,510 --> 02:59:25,359
about this

4432
02:59:28,870 --> 02:59:27,520
have you heard about any contact with

4433
02:59:30,630 --> 02:59:28,880
the pellarians not the palladius

4434
02:59:33,750 --> 02:59:30,640
pilarians

4435
02:59:36,630 --> 02:59:33,760
very very interesting

4436
02:59:39,670 --> 02:59:36,640
and uh and tom said he said i'll vouch

4437
02:59:42,550 --> 02:59:39,680
i'll vouch i'll go i'm going all in with

4438
02:59:45,750 --> 02:59:42,560
this individual and his credentials

4439
02:59:48,230 --> 02:59:45,760
um uh it kind of bummed me out when i

4440
02:59:50,309 --> 02:59:48,240
look it's the obvious thing to say

4441
02:59:53,429 --> 02:59:50,319
uh we gotta wait for the book

4442
02:59:54,710 --> 02:59:53,439
uh there may be other reasons behind it

4443
02:59:57,670 --> 02:59:54,720
uh

4444
03:00:00,469 --> 02:59:57,680
you know but i don't want to wait

4445
03:00:02,870 --> 03:00:00,479
and uh that's uh that was a that was

4446
03:00:04,550 --> 03:00:02,880
that was a good that was a good drop

4447
03:00:07,269 --> 03:00:04,560
from tom dongo

4448
03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:07,279
and also i want to remind everybody

4449
03:00:11,590 --> 03:00:09,279
before i get out of here i got about 30

4450
03:00:12,790 --> 03:00:11,600
seconds is uh tomorrow night jazz shaw's

4451
03:00:17,190 --> 03:00:12,800
gonna be here

4452
03:00:19,349 --> 03:00:17,200
and i have been reading and watching uh

4453
03:00:22,150 --> 03:00:19,359
jazz from the fringe

4454
03:00:24,550 --> 03:00:22,160
for quite a while and

4455
03:00:27,429 --> 03:00:24,560
his uh his comments

4456
03:00:28,710 --> 03:00:27,439
his wisdom his insight

4457
03:00:30,630 --> 03:00:28,720
um

4458
03:00:32,389 --> 03:00:30,640
he loves to stir the pot and i've been

4459
03:00:35,590 --> 03:00:32,399
watching him do that

4460
03:00:39,190 --> 03:00:35,600
he is a part of this team in this

4461
03:00:41,349 --> 03:00:39,200
community and tomorrow night i expect uh

4462
03:00:42,950 --> 03:00:41,359
one of those conversations so you're not

4463
03:00:45,429 --> 03:00:42,960
going to want to miss tomorrow night

4464
03:00:47,429 --> 03:00:45,439
with jaz shaw it was really funny i saw

4465
03:00:49,429 --> 03:00:47,439
his post earlier today as i get ready to

4466
03:00:52,469 --> 03:00:49,439
get out of here he said okay jimmy the

4467
03:00:55,429 --> 03:00:52,479
pressure's on it is tomorrow night

4468
03:00:57,990 --> 03:00:55,439
jazz shaw right here on fade to black

4469
03:01:00,230 --> 03:00:58,000
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4470
03:01:02,469 --> 03:01:00,240
here on fade to black beta black is

4471
03:01:04,469 --> 03:01:02,479
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4472
03:01:06,710 --> 03:01:04,479
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4473
03:01:07,990 --> 03:01:06,720
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4474
03:01:10,630 --> 03:01:08,000
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4475
03:01:12,710 --> 03:01:10,640
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4476
03:01:14,790 --> 03:01:12,720
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4477
03:01:16,309 --> 03:01:14,800
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4478
03:01:18,389 --> 03:01:16,319
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4479
03:01:20,469 --> 03:01:18,399
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4480
03:01:22,230 --> 03:01:20,479
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4481
03:01:23,670 --> 03:01:22,240
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4482
03:01:25,510 --> 03:01:23,680
copied or used anywhere in the known

4483
03:01:26,710 --> 03:01:25,520
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4484
03:01:27,990 --> 03:01:26,720
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4485
03:01:29,910 --> 03:01:28,000
network i'm your host jimmy church

4486
03:01:32,309 --> 03:01:29,920
tomorrow night jazz shaw

4487
03:01:34,389 --> 03:01:32,319
i want to thank tom dongo

4488
03:01:37,830 --> 03:01:34,399
what a great show tonight

4489
03:01:46,980 --> 03:01:37,840
until tomorrow i want you to be safe

4490
03:02:13,429 --> 03:01:58,470
[Music]

4491
03:02:13,439 --> 03:02:17,580
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